The totally off-topic thread

[anat0l]

Where would Australian cricketers be if they had to negotiate individual contracts? Or for that matter the AMA etc.

That would be a statement of contempt from Australian Cricket to its players more than a union's power, of which the former (i.e. Aus Cricket) are a pack of idiots who just don't care. When your employer is truly an idiot, even unions can't do a whole lot about it. But unions being militaristic or assuming every employer is an idiot is not productive and can get quite sick.

I don't know about the AMA's situation as to whether they need a union, but from what I have heard they are sorely inefficient and don't actually care about the people in the professions which they "represent", let alone those who want to be in the professions which the AMA is supposed to "represent". (Issues such as workplace safety, mental health, bullying by superiors, gender-based bullying, lack of support and building up the talent across the full spectrum of experience, etc.)

How about those unions that were trying to "negotiate" with Qantas some years ago?

The parade of corrupt union officials who have stolen from their own brethren in the last few years is sick; even more sick is that they don't even believe they have done a single iota of something wrong. Some of these scum are lucky to be alive, because they sure as hell have proven they don't deserve to be recognised as humans. I realise some politicians in our country are just as bad... and to think we are a country with supposedly low corruption and who do not tolerate corruption...

 

[anat0l]

Current mood...

Trying to get into your bed like inserting a shoehorn?

No problems being tucked in tightly then.

 

[Denali]

The hotel shares space with the concert hall and tonight its Carmen. In French.

The bar/hotel lobby looks like a medical centre waiting room on pension day for the better dressed.

 

[drron]

Where would Australian cricketers be if they had to negotiate individual contracts? Or for that matter the AMA etc.

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Though when junior doctors fought for and won the right to a 40 hour week the AMA were in opposition.
PS-I was the President of the RMOs association in NSW when we won that case.

 

[Pushka]

That would be a statement of contempt from Australian Cricket to its players more than a union's power, of which the former (i.e. Aus Cricket) are a pack of idiots who just don't care. When your employer is truly an idiot, even unions can't do a whole lot about it. But unions being militaristic or assuming every employer is an idiot is not productive and can get quite sick.

I don't know about the AMA's situation as to whether they need a union, but from what I have heard they are sorely inefficient and don't actually care about the people in the professions which they "represent", let alone those who want to be in the professions which the AMA is supposed to "represent". (Issues such as workplace safety, mental health, bullying by superiors, gender-based bullying, lack of support and building up the talent across the full spectrum of experience, etc.)

How about those unions that were trying to "negotiate" with Qantas some years ago?

The parade of corrupt union officials who have stolen from their own brethren in the last few years is sick; even more sick is that they don't even believe they have done a single iota of something wrong. Some of these scum are lucky to be alive, because they sure as hell have proven they don't deserve to be recognised as humans. I realise some politicians in our country are just as bad... and to think we are a country with supposedly low corruption and who do not tolerate corruption...

The only Union MrP has ever belonged to is the Australian Cricketers Union

 

[Rugby]

Enjoying my shiraz tonight with lots of Glen Campbell. Loved his work and his fight with Alzheimer's. Adios amigo.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjzTNWWO7U0

 

[RooFlyer]

Just remember this image next time you go to get your ball out of the hole.



From here (quite funny)

 

[drron]

Or these-
[video=youtube_share;43vii7vT44I]https://youtu.be/43vii7vT44I[/video]

 

[anat0l]

Or these-

Play it as it lies...

 

[Milboo]

Denali - enjoying your posts and squirrelling away ideas! I arrive late tomorrow after having a few days in the Barossa.

Its the first time that I've actually holidayed in AU since moving here 14 years ago.

 

[Happy Trails]

Good that this person has been arrested, hopefully they will be treated with accordingly, preferably with gaol time, too many people these days believe that it's their right to do what ever they want, when they want, without considering the consequences of their actions. Fortunately the pedestrian only suffered relatively minor injuries

What ever happened to good manners, or even in fact common sense?

Jogger arrested for allegedly pushing pedestrian in front of London bus - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

A man arrested on suspicion of pushing a woman into the path of a bus while jogging has been eliminated from the investigation.
Eric Bellquist, 41, was arrested on Thursday on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm following the incident on London's Putney Bridge.
His lawyer said Mr Bellquist "categorically denied" being the man seen in the video.

Putney Bridge jogger push suspect eliminated from inquiry - BBC News

 

[Cossie]

A man arrested on suspicion of pushing a woman into the path of a bus while jogging has been eliminated from the investigation.
Eric Bellquist, 41, was arrested on Thursday on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm following the incident on London's Putney Bridge.
His lawyer said Mr Bellquist "categorically denied" being the man seen in the video.

Putney Bridge jogger push suspect eliminated from inquiry - BBC News

Well, let's hope they do catch the idiot that was responsible. Some joggers and cyclists think laws and rules don't apply to them, as an example see the photo posted elsewhere of a cyclist riding over a 'no cycling' sign.

 

[JohnK]

Salary rewards skill, knowledge and many other areas - how hard someone works should not define that (but of course is yet another factor).

Understood. Very difficult to define and rate employees. It was difficult 25 years ago and close to impossible today.

I fix bugs. Some of the bugs I fix have been through at least 3-4 people who were not able to solve. I don't keep a track of statistics but I'd say my strike rate is over 80%. Could be even higher. You won't see too many comments from me "unable to reproduce".

I also take considerably less time to fix things. When management wants something fixed they give to me because they know it will be fixed.

It's not an even playing field. My luck is not great. I got the job via a poor agent who quoted the company the wrong salary I requested as they were mainly interested in their bonus. I didn't find out until after I was offered the job. I didn't make a fuss thinking the yearly reviews would eventually fix that up but that's not the case. Then the company got desperate and started bringing in 457 visas and paying them close to the salary they gave me. A little unfair but such is life.

 

[whatmeworry]

I'm wary about unions. If we really need them, then they don't seem to be as effective as we would desire them to be.

I suspect you really have never done a hard days labour in your life and never will. When you work in a dangerous industry, the Union is your friend.

I know plenty of individuals whose life's and families had been saved due to union intervention and help.

Their effectiveness has been nullified by subsequent governments which I suspect you're blase about.

P.s Do you like correcting my grammar and altering my quotes? Does that satisfy the empty place in your heart?

 

[Steady]

As someone who does and has worked in heavy construction, oil & gas, water, chemical processing throughout Australia and the pacific for the last 3 decades, my experience of unions has been the opposite of yours WMW. I am not saying your experience isn't true - just that it isn't the same for everyone.

 

[RooFlyer]

I suspect you really have never done a hard days labour in your life and never will. When you work in a dangerous industry, the Union is your friend.
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Oh, please. I've worked on mine sites, underground and open pit. Would you count those as 'dangerous'? At my first underground mine site, the visiting union reps tried to take 'the boys' out because the 'bosses' wouldn't see them. One miner came up the shaft and escorted the reps to outside the gates, told them in no uncertain terms not to come back, then went back to work. In much of the mining industry, union reps are simply seen as parasites.

 

[RooFlyer]

Understood. Very difficult to define and rate employees. It was difficult 25 years ago and close to impossible today.

I fix bugs. Some of the bugs I fix have been through at least 3-4 people who were not able to solve. I don't keep a track of statistics but I'd say my strike rate is over 80%. Could be even higher. You won't see too many comments from me "unable to reproduce".
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Go consulting. Then the market will pay you what you are really worth. I did it 17 years ago and never looked back.

 

[Pushka]

Go consulting. Then the market will pay you what you are really worth. I did it 17 years ago and never looked back.

Just as long as you don't try it in Adelaide where there is no market.

I think it's a bit rude assuming we know the hardships that others here have faced in their lives.

 

[RooFlyer]

Just as long as you don't try it in Adelaide where there is no market.

I think it's a bit rude assuming we know the hardships that others here have faced in their lives.

Bit cryptic for me pushka. Adelaide has no market for what?

Which individuals and which hardships?

 

[Pushka]

Bit cryptic for me pushka. Adelaide has no market for what?

Which individuals and which hardships?

Business Consultants! We've been in the consulting business for mmm - 25 years. Most of our work was Adelaide based until 5 years ago. Now - the work here has dried up. It's petty low paying fee stuff. Constantly cancelled at the last minute. Adelaide is now FIFO for us - work is in Melbourne, Sydney and NZ. Where it pays well. It's why we have leased an apartment in Melbourne when we live in Adelaide.

Sorry - should have requoted whatmeworry's post that made assumptions of other posters and their lack of 'hard labour'.