The totally off-topic thread

[Pushka]

Oh, my. Krispy Kreme Choc Fudge brownie donut is amazing!

Damn you Denali. I've been hankering after one since you posted.

It was just going to be one for me. Then MrP decided on a Hershey peanut one. Then said we should have a triple choc in case I had picked the wrong one. Then the girl suggested the 4 deal. Sigh.

The original brownie is top right.

Cyclists in Amsterdam take the cake IMO.

Oh no. Copenhagen takes the ummm, Krispy Kreme cake.

 

[love_the_life]

Damn you Denali. I've been hankering after one since you posted.

It was just going to be one for me. Then MrP decided on a Hershey peanut one. Then said we should have a triple choc in case I had picked the wrong one. Then the girl suggested the 4 deal. Sigh

Oh no. Copenhagen takes the ummm, Krispy Kreme cake.

Far too sweet for me. :shock:
I find KKs teeth rot material.

 

[Pushka]

Far too sweet for me. :shock:
I find KKs teeth rot material.

I put my big girl pants on and manage it.

I've usually only had the original plain ones. I haven't had a KK for around 3 years.

 

[JohnK]

No. Just, no.

What someone else earns is none of your business.

Worry about yourself and your own duties, don't police others.

As someone in payroll, they are not my salaries, they mean nothing to me and don't affect me. I don't police other peoples duties or results, not my concern.

Wrong. It is my business.

If I have 25 years experience and they pay me $50,000/year and I give them a solid 35 hours/week and someone with 10 years experience gets paid the same but is only productive half the time and the rest of the time they use up senior resources mentoring them and showing them how to do their job.

This goes on for years and the expectation is for me to keep producing a solid 35 hours/week but they are happy the other person is only productive 20 hours/week. Then at review time we both get 1.4% salray increase.

What ends up happening is I don't know what salary they are on but find out from another person who knows what they are on and I'm not happy so don't perform at full capacity. But then I'm told more is expected from me and to lift my game. The other person keeps coasting and continues to get 1.4% salary increases along with me.

This is a true story and is still occurring today. Anyone who thinks management is doing a good job has got rocks in their head. There is no reward for hard work. Bludge and they'll take care of you. That's not the right message to send. Management are a failure.

 

[cove]

JohnK it is best to leave if you are disgruntled. Work should be enjoyable seeing it is a chunk of your life.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Far too sweet for me. :shock:
I find KKs teeth rot material.

There was so much hype about them when they first arrived in Canberra I had to try them. Wasn't impressed so have never had them again. Do we even still have KKs in Canberra?

 

[BacchusMarsh]

If I have 25 years experience and they pay me $50,000/year and I give them a solid 35 hours/week

1.4% salary increases

This is a true story and is still occurring today.

As so often happens, something doesn't add up.

 

[Cossie]

There was so much hype about them when they first arrived in Canberra I had to try them. Wasn't impressed so have never had them again. Do we even still have KKs in Canberra?

I have seen them, can't remember where though, possibly costco?

 

[Simo]

Wrong. It is my business.

If I have 25 years experience and they pay me $50,000/year and I give them a solid 35 hours/week and someone with 10 years experience gets paid the same but is only productive half the time and the rest of the time they use up senior resources mentoring them and showing them how to do their job.

This goes on for years and the expectation is for me to keep producing a solid 35 hours/week but they are happy the other person is only productive 20 hours/week. Then at review time we both get 1.4% salray increase.

What ends up happening is I don't know what salary they are on but find out from another person who knows what they are on and I'm not happy so don't perform at full capacity. But then I'm told more is expected from me and to lift my game. The other person keeps coasting and continues to get 1.4% salary increases along with me.

This is a true story and is still occurring today. Anyone who thinks management is doing a good job has got rocks in their head. There is no reward for hard work. Bludge and they'll take care of you. That's not the right message to send. Management are a failure.

Time for a new employer or can you sub contract or go out on your own

 

[cove]

Salary increases and bonuses have been tightened up in the last year or more but then interest rates and inflation are low. The problem is the local, state and federal government think we can pay a lot more each year.
Changing jobs to get a better deal is something that under 30s do pretty regularly. Older folks tend to stay where they are regardless of whether they like their job or not.

 

[blackcat20]

One of the things I like about working for a university is that pay levels are all set. Doesn't matter what gender you are, you move up a scale year by year with set increments and CPI increases.

 

[cove]

The idea that gender changes pay levels is quite outrageous. I don't think I have worked anywhere where that was happening.

 

[Denali]

Didn't like the Reese's peanut butter Krispy Kreme. It's just a dab of PB in the middle, nothing like a Reese's cup, which I lurvvvvv.

Venturing to Salamanca markets for breakfast today, hope to buy some yummy goodies as well.

 

[Denali]

So the alleged jogger who pushed the woman into the bus path states he has irrefutable proof he was out of the country at the time of the incident.

Wouldn't the police have checked that out before naming, shaming and arresting him?

 

[Pushka]

So the alleged jogger who pushed the woman into the bus path states he has irrefutable proof he was out of the country at the time of the incident.

Wouldn't the police have checked that out before naming, shaming and arresting him?

That seems just really weird.

 

[Cool Cat Phil]

One of the things I like about working for a university is that pay levels are all set. Doesn't matter what gender you are, you move up a scale year by year with set increments and CPI increases.

My other half used to work for a well-known University in Melbourne, but she was deeply unhappy, with the layers of beaucracy, poor decision making made by those in senior roles, and plenty of people within the management structure enjoying the mediocrity of their positions.

Within the same facality in the past 12 months, there has been at least 6 people who have jumped ship, and the mass exodus continues.

This year she has moved onto an exciting position within a Victorian State Government department, with better pay and a far more professional and structured work environment.

The Management style established by those in senior positions really sets the tone for the culture within the entire organisation, I'm pleased the university you work hasn't suffered from the same short comings.

 

[Denali]

This is Bob and Carol at a Hobart Cafe for breakfast.

Bob and Carol were sitting at a two seat table, one table away from the front window. Meanwhile, a table of 6 was sitting on the opposite side window seat, this table fits 10.

When the large group left, Bob and Carol picked up the it menu and walked to the larger 10 person table, stood there looking at the mess and asked a waitress walking past, who was delivering plates, if she was going to clear the table. Now, because she wants to sit there. Now.

Waitress comes back, explains this a table for large groups and they can sit at any of the other tables. Carol doesn't like this, she wants that table. Waitress clears table and walks away. Baristas, maybe manager, approaches and explains that's a large group table and they are welcome to sit at any of the other tables.

Carol wants this table,I guess her ego will fit all the seats.

Just then, a group of about 7 walk in! Baristas herds carol back to original table.*

Carol not happy. Very sour look on her face

 

[anat0l]

Wrong. It is my business.

You may like to make it your business, but then you get that information on your own accord. It doesn't have to be publicly broadcast to everyone any more than all the other HR information held about a person on file.


Just like universities, our school (or rather school association) works on pay scales or rungs, with clear performance expectations for given levels. So no need to break heads over salary negotiations and no matter what you get paid, you are expected to do your job. Doesn't mean we don't think we should be paid more, although the management overall seems less hostile and/or ignorant compared to the counterexample here, and are actually quite supportive.

The measure of productivity is often linked to results, not hours. If you can get the job done in 20 hours rather than 35, all power to you; if you need 50 hours to do the same job, that's what you need to do. Either way you're paid to do that job or task, not to churn out hours. The negotiation then is to reconcile between the workload expected and "hours paid".


If grievances are not being taken into account by management, it may be time to move on. If management care enough to recognise you are a valuable asset to them, then they might readjust themselves to negotiate much more fairly with you. This happened to one of our cleaning staff. She was going to leave because she didn't feel her superiors were caring enough about her. When the bosses got wind of this intent, they took her out for lunch. End result she has more agreeable conditions, a raise, and more importantly some acknowledgment from management.

If management do nothing to stop you going, then you probably know then how much they valued your being there.


I don't know if management rewards us well for hard work, except verbally and helping us to put together our cases for level advance, but in our line of work we work hard not for higher pay but because failure to achieve what we need to makes our jobs inexplicably more difficult. No one needs their job to be more difficult than it already is, unless you take pleasure in sitting back and watching the whole world burn.

 

[RAM]

This is Bob and Carol at a Hobart Cafe for breakfast.

Bob and Carol were sitting at a two seat table, one table away from the front window. Meanwhile, a table of 6 was sitting on the opposite side window seat, this table fits 10.

When the large group left, Bob and Carol picked up the it menu and walked to the larger 10 person table, stood there looking at the mess and asked a waitress walking past, who was delivering plates, if she was going to clear the table. Now, because she wants to sit there. Now.

Waitress comes back, explains this a table for large groups and they can sit at any of the other tables. Carol doesn't like this, she wants that table. Waitress clears table and walks away. Baristas, maybe manager, approaches and explains that's a large group table and they are welcome to sit at any of the other tables.

Carol wants this table,I guess her ego will fit all the seats.

Just then, a group of about 7 walk in! Baristas herds carol back to original table.*

Carol not happy. Very sour look on her face

How lucky she is to have a look that matches her attitude!

If I had been there I would have gone up to the waitress and given her some money while saying quite audibly;

"Thank you for being so professional, we really admired your courtesy."

 

[TheRealTMA]

One of the things I like about working for a university is that pay levels are all set. Doesn't matter what gender you are, you move up a scale year by year with set increments and CPI increases.

"Sheltered Workshop"s they used to be called.