The WP shadow

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But how does it actually work (the linking)? When you retrieve one PNR does it automatically bring up the other?

It sounds like they reviewed the flight, saw a platinum and moved them to the best seat available.

See serfty's explanation above. You see the other pax as a party to the other booking.

I suspect you are right, however it may have been load control prior to check in. The problem was, by check in the flight was completely full.

I still think they should have moved an NB IMHO as seat allocation is not a published benefit for non status pax.
 
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I still think they should have moved an NB IMHO as seat allocation is not a published benefit for non status pax.

Actually it is a benefit for all. NB's and lower may have to pay for it if preselecting a seat on an international flight traveling in Y.
 
See serfty's explanation above. You see the other pax as a party to the other booking.

I suspect you are right, however it may have been load control prior to check in. The problem was, by check in the flight was completely full.

I still think they should have moved an NB IMHO as seat allocation is not a published benefit for non status pax.

Seat allocation is a published benefit for non status pax on domestic flights.
 
Shadows? You can keep them.

Give me a seat mate like I had on the last flight any day. Young, slim, pretty and lots of energy. She had her legs crossed towards me moving her foot up and down and rubbed against my calf a few times.

Shame I'm an old man and old enough to be her grandfather. Oh and I'm engaged. :oops:
 
I wonder if the system has been fixed somewhat after my rant last week? Flew QF36 on Sat and WP shadows worked for all WPs as far as I've noticed while the back of the plane was full. Also doing an experiment on row 4 tomorrow, so far middle seat is blocked. Will report back.
 
Flew QF36 on Sat.
Missed you by a day. :(

Although I had a good reason to be on that flight on the Friday night.

Back on topic, it looked quite strange that, at roughly T-50, the flight I was going to be on had 4A blocked, 4B occupied, and 4C available. It almost sounds like 4B is automatically opened up to NBs at a certain time, no matter what happens to the seats next to it. It's a moot point though, as the flight was eventually cancelled, and my operational "fly-ahead" was already granted by then.
 
Hi All

Just been talking to a member of the P1 Team and as previously posted by others they confirmed that they are still having issues with the Shadow on the system and it has been given the highest priority to get it fixed.

What was more interesting, and perhaps others may know better, was the comment that the shadow does not apply to International Flights, it is for domestic flights, and that they can, if requested, do a soft block, however basically one should not expect a shadow on International flights as either a WP or P1. I thought that the shadow applied for both domestic and international?
 
Shadows in 4B, 5B, 5E on QF513 today. I was in 6C until T-80, when I moved to 4A.
 
Actually our bookings were linked, we were pre-allocated 6AB, then upon checkin I was in 4A and she was somewhere down the back.

As a WP (and considering an NB can select row 4 at the moment), yes, that's exactly what I expect them to do. Or put us back in 6AB where we were pre-allocated.

If QF think they can treat a WP with a linked booking and pre-allocation to row 27, they need to learn a little about customer loyalty.

It might be worth having the facts before passing judgement on others.

I was going on the facts, however there was no mention of 6AB anywhere in your post so the only thing I had to go on was the information you had in your post about going from 4A to 27B.

I don't believe whoever moved you from 6A to 4A realised you were linked otherwise they would've left you in 6AB. Given that the flight was full, if staff said 27AB were the only seats left together I'd have no reason to doubt that was correct.

Does Qantas even do automatic seat pre-allocation? Unless I go to MMB and specifically pick a seat my bookings always just show my preference (Aisle, etc). I don't think I've ever had a specific seat allocated to me automatically before check-in.

Not domestically, so the seat request will only allocate you a seat according to your preference at the actual time you checkin which means if somebody has an aisle request in their profile and the only seats remaining are 16B, 18E, 27B etc an aisle seat isn't going to materialise.

I would always suggest pre-allocating a seat once a booking has been made. I know a common gripe from people is their travel co-ordinator (at their company) or the TA doesn't not enter the ffn into the pnr however as long as you can get your QF booking reference (Amadeus pnr) just go the MMB on the QF site & update it with the ffn then once entered go back & pre-allocate a seat.

When the bookings were linked over the phone months prior, 6AB were allocated. When I checked in, I was put in 4A.

A linked booking *when done correctly* should cross reference the two PNRs in the system - this is a bit more than just a note.

It's possible that reservations cross referenced the bookings & pre-allocated seats together in 6AB but your bookings are still separate pnrs. If airport staff don't physically 'link' the names in Altea, whereby when you retrieve one passenger & will also display the other, it's possible airport staff though your wife was a solo traveller so moved her aft to get a couple together in 6BC.

But how does it actually work (the linking)? When you retrieve one PNR does it automatically bring up the other?

It sounds like they reviewed the flight, saw a platinum and moved them to the best seat available.

If pax booked in separate pnrs are linked in Altea by airport staff, when you retrieve one name it will bring up both names as though they were in the same booking (this is in the checkin system not the pnr in Amadeus). From from others have said I understand that if you were to then OLCI then both pax names would appear as if they were booked together.

Even if pax are not linked ahead of time in Altea if two pax are in separate pnrs but checkin together (at a SSK or with a CSA) then you will automatically be linked so any other flights you're travelling on together in their respective pnrs will already show you as being linked next time you check in. Another possibility is people may have checked in separately eg mobile, OLCI, QCR (Q card reader/tower/podium thingy) but when bags are pooled against both pax that action will also link pax in Altea.

See serfty's explanation above. You see the other pax as a party to the other booking.

I suspect you are right, however it may have been load control prior to check in. The problem was, by check in the flight was completely full.

I still think they should have moved an NB IMHO as seat allocation is not a published benefit for non status pax.

Whilst it's possible load control could have moved someone (eg due light loads) I'd say it's more likely in this case it was ground staff at that port trying to get pax together. Generally speaking if it's close to departure load control would probably ring that port and get staff there to move the pax so they could be paged & given their new boarding passes.

There may not have been any NB's in row 4 at all to move back anyway.
 
QF972 & 971 produced shadows for the first time in ages .... row 4 and 14. Neither showed on EF as blocked - so I guess I got lucky.
 
Qf81 today. Shadow on row 23 held until this morning and then disappeared. Ended up asking F lounge to move me to the back at T-2 just to have a shadow. Not happy as it was certainly not full load. Hope they fix it soon as it's certainly getting on my nerves.
A shadow in the most sought after row on an international configuration Qantas A330? Shadow doesn't do much with fixed armrests anyway.
 
Hi All

Just been talking to a member of the P1 Team and as previously posted by others they confirmed that they are still having issues with the Shadow on the system and it has been given the highest priority to get it fixed.

What was more interesting, and perhaps others may know better, was the comment that the shadow does not apply to International Flights, it is for domestic flights, and that they can, if requested, do a soft block, however basically one should not expect a shadow on International flights as either a WP or P1. I thought that the shadow applied for both domestic and international?

That's the advice given to me and my experience as well. The P1 team put requests in for 4 international flights for me. But was told they were requests only and expectations downplayed. None of them stuck. But 3 of the 4 flights were full in J anyway so it's not really a full assessment. But this statement seems to ring true.

i have flown a few times to/from NZ in Y and the 'B' and 'E' seats in rows 4 to 6 seemed to be kept empty as much as possible. These may not be shadows but just a general policy. Possibly NZ flights are not regarded as full international but more domestic like (which would align with the other limitations on the service).
 
That's the advice given to me and my experience as well. The P1 team put requests in for 4 international flights for me. But was told they were requests only and expectations downplayed. None of them stuck. But 3 of the 4 flights were full in J anyway so it's not really a full assessment. But this statement seems to ring true.

i have flown a few times to/from NZ in Y and the 'B' and 'E' seats in rows 4 to 6 seemed to be kept empty as much as possible. These may not be shadows but just a general policy. Possibly NZ flights are not regarded as full international but more domestic like (which would align with the other limitations on the service).

I've certainly confirmed at check-in for trans-Tasman flights that the seat next to me is still blocked and receive a positive answer adn the shadow subsequently stuck. Admittedly, that was before the recent shadow issues.
 
Shadow doesn't do much with fixed armrests anyway.

I'm not so sure. The extra shoulder room, spare tray table and general sense of space is well worth it. Of course I would never choose a bulkhead seat anyway, since they are too cramped on legroom for me.
 
I can certainly report that ExpertFlyer is today returning some weird results.

For example, blocked seats are shown as occupied!
 
I can certainly report that ExpertFlyer is today returning some weird results.

For example, blocked seats are shown as occupied!

Have to agree with you there, logged into MMB for upcoming QF94 & noticed 66C unoccupied & on EF it's occupied.
 
I can certainly report that ExpertFlyer is today returning some weird results.

For example, blocked seats are shown as occupied!

Noticed this too today on a 737 rows 4 & 5 are showing as occupied when in fact they're not? enhancement? simpler/fairer? new feature? system issue?

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I wonder if the system has been fixed somewhat after my rant last week? Flew QF36 on Sat and WP shadows worked for all WPs as far as I've noticed while the back of the plane was full. Also doing an experiment on row 4 tomorrow, so far middle seat is blocked. Will report back.
Experiment failed due to full load as they crammed 2 plane loads into 1. Despite that, still no op-up "beep" at the gate. :(
 
QF972 & 971 produced shadows for the first time in ages .... row 4 and 14. Neither showed on EF as blocked - so I guess I got lucky.
Must be TSV.I got my silver shadow on 968 on Wednesday.:p;):cool:
I did OLCI about 6 hours out.All middle seats were shown as open back to row 12.but rather than select 4B,E I chose 8A as 8B was unoccupied.It was be kind to WPs week.
After boarding it seemed row 4 shadows stuck but not rows 5,6.8B remained empty though the woman in 8C put her stuff all over the seat at take off.So I took control of the leg space.fair trade I thought.
 
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