Tipping problem in LAX TBIT Lounge [is back]

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Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

Because in many US lounges you are given a couple of vouchers when you enter, and that is it. ...
Huh?

When I have used up my vouchers and still have time I simply rock back to the service desk and request more. Never been denied.:D
 
Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

Huh?

When I have used up my vouchers and still have time I simply rock back to the service desk and request more. Never been denied.:D

Same here, never had an issue getting extra drink chits in the US
 
Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

Huh?

When I have used up my vouchers and still have time I simply rock back to the service desk and request more. Never been denied.:D
Well next time when I use up my vouchers, and still have time to kill I will do as you do.
 
Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

JK, heads up. At the courses in the U.S. that you'd play, they use GPS in carts, no caddies. You'll only find caddies at v high end private clubs. But tip the cart staff, usually a five or ten $ bill attached to the steering wheel is how ya do it.

im around until end of March, give me a shout when you want to tee it up.

Cheers
BF

I love it. ;)
 
Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

Because in many US lounges you are given a couple of vouchers when you enter, and that is it. So a full glass for one voucher is better than two half full ones for two vouchers.

I must say that I have never been knocked back on more vouchers in any AC. Just return to the AAngels each time. "No problem, Sir". Touch wood.
 
Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

Tipping is only not mandatory in the US in the strictest sense of the word (ie: it's not a legal requirement). You are expected to tip unless the service is diabolically bad, and expected to tip more if it is above average. If service was anything upwards of the bare minimum and you did not leave a tip, probably best not to go back to that place if it's anything involving food or drink, you might find yourself with some special ingredients, a cold meal, or a very weak drink.

Yes, drsmithy, well put.
 
Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

Happens already when passengers hand out box of chocolates to crew? Or is that a bribe?

Except only a very small minority do that... And that would usually identify you to the crew as a bit of an aerosexual weirdo
 
Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

JK, heads up. At the courses in the U.S. that you'd play, they use GPS in carts, no caddies. You'll only find caddies at v high end private clubs. But tip the cart staff, usually a five or ten $ bill attached to the steering wheel is how ya do it.

im around until end of March, give me a shout when you want to tee it up.
We'll have to have another game soon and you'll have to explain to me why I would need to tip someone I will more than likely never see again.
 
Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

Well next time when I use up my vouchers, and still have time to kill I will do as you do.
We never use ours - either find someone to give them to, or leave them next to the seat for the next person. Once we heard a woman on her mobile complaining about the horror day she had had with missed/delayed flights and it would be hours until she could get another one. Miss FM gave her all our vouchers :)
 
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There's nothing like the smile of astonishment and appreciation on the face of some unsuspecting AA flyer, in the Admirals Club, that the gift of a couple of unused drink vouchers can do.
 
Hi All,

I'm a little bit late to this party, but the QF lounge tipping scam is starting to make its way into some of the blogosphere here.

I'll admit that tipping is a tough subject, even for native born Americans, so you will rarely find much consensus amongst Americans about who to tip and when. (If you want to save yourself the headache, tip everybody you see. Me, I'll take the headache and spend less money.)

The only time tipping in the US is obligatory is when you're dealing with staff who are paid the "tipped minimum wage." This wage is about $2.16 an hour. It's peanuts, and nobody anywhere can survive off of that. While it is not law that you must tip those employees, not tipping them is akin to legalized theft. (Even if it's busy and they're making tips left and right, it's really, really not appropriate to skip out on a tip.)

Everybody else is on a minimum wage of at LEAST $7.25/hr. That number may be higher in certain jurisdictions, as it can be set by any political authority. Somebody posted something earlier indicating that some states have lower minimum wages. This isn't really true, those numbers would reflect laws that were written years ago and never updated. Not updating them has no effective impact, so there's no reason to waste time changing them. So the federal minimum sets the floor, other localities can raise it if they want.

Culturally, the discussion of personal finances is very taboo. I have no idea what my coworkers make, and heck, I have no idea what my own brother makes. So any suggestion of a tip from a service worker is beyond rude.

$7.25 an hour is tough to live on in many large cities, no doubt about that. But the thing is, given our culture, the worker's personal finances are none of my business. The reality is, in the US beyond minimum wage, the "market" sets wages. Staff turnover is certainly a market force. (Not trying to get all political or philosophical here, but since the US has very few labor protections beyond minimum wage and overtime pay requirements, it's worth pointing out that by and large wages are something that employees and employers negotiate.)

So circling back to the topic at hand, the QF lounge tipping issue... it's really hard to bring a "when in Rome, does a the Romans do" to the lounge. The thing is, what is Rome? Is Rome the US city and state where the airport is located? Is "Rome" lounges operated by US airlines? US airlines that operate lounges do not have an "all inclusive" model that the foreign carriers do. You might get some cheap beer, wine, and snack mix included with the lounge entry, but "premium" booze and food is going to cost you. This is just unheard of with the foreign carriers, both European and Asian.

So you'll note that foreign carriers operate lounges in ways that their primary customer base comes to expect, not based on the soil on which they're located. That is, these guys have an all-inclusive model where there is nothing to buy at the lounge. This is a different market force at play.

QF has told their passengers that they're not expected, or even "permitted" to tip. This is certainly a directive that is inline with what the primary customer base would expect. Does it clash with labor's expectation, which is presumably US help, who don't care a bit about Australian customs? If labor was getting paid the tipped minimum wage, the federal government would have something to say about that, so I'd say it's not my problem. If they're only getting paid minimum wage, and the workers feel they could get a better deal elsewhere, they'll quit. If QF can't maintain decent service levels in the lounge, their customer base is going to complain, and perhaps fly a different carrier. So QF does have some incentive to treat their staff well.

The interesting thing with this whole discussion is that as an American, my first concern would actually be with the wait staff at the bar and the dining room. These are the people that we culturally think of tipping first and foremost. The washroom attendants? By and large, that profession doesn't really exist in the US, so they're not people we think of tipping.

TL;DR: No, I wouldn't tip the washroom attendants in the lounge. The charade is pretty slimy and culturally considered very rude. Yes, these folks aren't making much money, but if they have better options, they'll quit, and QF will have to deal with the turnover. It doesn't matter that these guys are contracted out, they still represent QF and QF will have to deal with it if they don't perform well.
 
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I was in Sydney for our Xmas party and at the end of the night when I went to pay the guy who served us the whole evening gave me the bill. Once I said I will pay on my credit card, he entered the price on the machine and then gave me the terminal to enter a tip. He even went further and explained that if I liked his service then I should enter an amount as a tip as most people would tip. I felt he was aggressive and just pressed enter and tapped my card. What do you guys think of this in Australia?

Other places just mention that if I want I can either press enter or type a tip amount and typically say that it's totally up to me. Some then look away (slightly embarrassed).
 
I was in Sydney for our Xmas party and at the end of the night when I went to pay the guy who served us the whole evening gave me the bill. Once I said I will pay on my credit card, he entered the price on the machine and then gave me the terminal to enter a tip. He even went further and explained that if I liked his service then I should enter an amount as a tip as most people would tip. I felt he was aggressive and just pressed enter and tapped my card. What do you guys think of this in Australia?

Do you have an accent or otherwise give off a "not local" vibe ? If so, probably someone being opportunistic.

Assuming service was nothing astounding, I'd expect any local in the face of that would just go "no worries mate", and hit enter for a $0 tip. We're not a tipping culture in general, and even less so when someone thinks they deserve it.
 
Hi All,

I'm a little bit late to this party, but the QF lounge tipping scam is starting to make its way into some of the blogosphere here.

I'll admit that tipping is a tough subject, even for native born Americans, so you will rarely find much consensus amongst Americans about who to tip and when. (If you want to save yourself the headache, tip everybody you see. Me, I'll take the headache and spend less money.) ..............

Welcome to AFF, American Dude.

I can really disagree with nothing much in your post, as such. Unfortunately, some die-hards don't (and never will) "get" the tipping thing.

For me, I tip at Denny's, but not at In-N-Out Burger. Tip for the valet parking, tip for baggage delivered to the hotel room, tip at bars and restaurants, tip the cab driver. I get that part of things. And I don't begrudge tipping in the QF lounges at LAX, whether discouraged or not.

However, there will always be those who never want to admit that they are in "Rome", for all sorts of reasons.


Edit: There are a number of tipping threads on AFF, and this is yet another one. :p
 
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Re: TBIT 'Qantas' Business Lounge - extremely confused, as are staff

If the official company line is to condemn this procedure, then that is the stance that should be taken. The next step would be to take a photo/video of the staff member doing it.

This is a fantastic idea. Have your phone out and if you see them doing the 'planted tip' thing, ask them to pose for your photo as they reach for it, as QF has asked for pax to get photographic evidence of their sly behaviour!!!
 
I was in Sydney for our Xmas party and at the end of the night when I went to pay the guy who served us the whole evening gave me the bill. Once I said I will pay on my credit card, he entered the price on the machine and then gave me the terminal to enter a tip. He even went further and explained that if I liked his service then I should enter an amount as a tip as most people would tip. I felt he was aggressive and just pressed enter and tapped my card. What do you guys think of this in Australia?

Other places just mention that if I want I can either press enter or type a tip amount and typically say that it's totally up to me. Some then look away (slightly embarrassed).

A lot of the new 'cool' bars/restaurants in Australia now have this as an option on their cc/eftpos.

Usually they just say "you can tip of you want", followed by me pleasing enter on $0.00. I've never had a bad experience with this but certainly would have no reservations in advising them to give up their guaranteed rights and pay and move to America if they're interested in tips.

On the topic of tipping in Australia, I've done it once, maybe twice. This was only for amazingly outstanding service which was well above the expected level. And it was only $5 cash to the waiter.

On the topic of the LAX lounge, I can confirm this ploy was used when I was there on 17/11/2015. I was wondering who would tip for a shower to be clean for use, given that it's expected to be clean for use. I certainly would have complained had it not been clean.
 
I always have a massive sigh of relief when I'm in a US lounge with a self serve bar. I don't have to tip someone to do slower and worse job of mixing a drink..
 
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