Titular Issues!

[Pushka]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Doctor has become a very loose title that in my opinion should only be used by medical doctors. A PhD in Geology or Computer Science doesn't make you a doctor. Apologies Rooflyer if that is your title.

You can of course disagree with my opinion but luckily I am not a servant and only use 'Dr' to refer to real doctors. If I was in customer service I may not have a choice.

I think it is the reverse. We should probably call GP Doctors, Physicians to avoid confusion but that will butt up against Physicians who are specialists. Unless the GP DR has a PhD in which case they are Dr Dr. :shock:

Hey, didnt we move off from this?

 

[jb747]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

And I'm sure someone will correct me, but aren't surgeons Mister?

 

[kermatu]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

And I'm sure someone will correct me, but aren't surgeons Mister?

My uncle was and yes, always "Mr". Hated being referred to as "Dr" - though of course recognised for most people they were simply trying to be respectful.

 

[turnip666]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

A medical doctor still only holds a Bachelors degree and is called DR by convention from when it meant "learned", which they are.

A Specialist does not want to be called Dr as they have advanced degrees (AFAIK) and extra training and can differentiate themselves from someone that holds a Bachelors.

This was explained to me when I commenced a PhD, though I never finished.

Please do not take this as a judgement on all your study and effort. It was the history as explained to me. It could also be complete wrong and self serving nonsense from my advisor to get me to do some work.

 

[Pushka]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Oi. Back to seats.

 

[jb747]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

A bit of history from the College of Surgeons....

In most other parts of the world all medical practitioners, physicians and surgeons alike, are referred to as Dr while in the UK surgeons are usually referred to as Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs. This is because, from the Middle Ages physicians had to embark on formal university training to gain possession of a degree in medicine before they could enter practice. The possession of this degree, a doctorate, entitled them to the title of ‘Doctor of Medicine’ or Doctor.
The training of surgeons until the mid-19th century was different. They did not have to go to university to gain a degree; instead they usually served as an apprentice to a surgeon. Afterwards they took an examination. In London, after 1745, this was conducted by the Surgeons' Company and after 1800 by The Royal College of Surgeons. If successful they were awarded a diploma, not a degree, therefore they were unable to call themselves 'Doctor', and stayed instead with the title 'Mr'.

 

[kpc]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Some holders of PhDs like to be called Dr; I much prefer to be called a Mr esp. on a plane

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

And I'm sure someone will correct me, but aren't surgeons Mister?

Some are, depends on where in the country and indeed which country you practice in.

I call myself Dr on pretty much everything. I hate Ms/Mrs with a passion

 

[Dr Ralph]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Doctor has become a very loose title that in my opinion should only be used by medical doctors. A PhD in Geology or Computer Science doesn't make you a doctor. Apologies Rooflyer if that is your title.

You can of course disagree with my opinion but luckily I am not a servant and only use 'Dr' to refer to real doctors. If I was in customer service I may not have a choice.

Actually a person with a medical degree who holds only an undergraduate qualification is not entitled to the prefix of Dr. It is merely a convention that is used in Australia. Many countries don't follow this convention.

A person with a PhD has a legitimate right to use the Dr prefix. A person with a medical degree has no such right.

If you're are happy to use titles incorrectly I'm happy to be known an Sir Ralph.

 

[kpc]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Actually a person with a medical degree holds only an undergraduate qualification and is not entitled to the prefix of Dr. It is merely a convention that is used in Australia. Many countries don't follow this convention.

A person with a PhD has a legitimate right to use the Dr prefix. A person with a medical degree has no such right.

If you're are happy to use titles incorrectly I'm happy to be known an Sir Ralph.

Not 100% correct...some Universities' medical degreee eg Sydney are now post graduate. As mentioned above, very happy to be called Mr esp on a plane....the FAs can hassle all the PhD doctors

 

[drron]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Yes 15 Australian medical schools now issue an MD or similar.
I have always though been a little cynical of those who insist I am not a proper doctor having done 6 years of medicine and then 5 years specialty training.More years than many with PHDs etc.
Now although the University of Paris awarded a PHD in ~1550 it wasn't until 1810 the the University of Berlin began regularly awarding PHDs and then for the advanced degree of the faculty of philosophy.In fact most date the current PHD to the end of WW1 when it became awrded for research.

However 4-500 years before European Universities awarded graduates of Theology,Law and Medicine doctorates as they were the "senior"faculties.

In Shakespeares works the term doctor was used mainly for physicians.basically the earliest time in previous research that I can find the term doctor associated with physicians more so than theologians and lawyers.

 

[froggerADL]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Could a mod please change the title? This thread has little to do with "seat shifting"

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Actually a person with a medical degree holds only an undergraduate qualification and is not entitled to the prefix of Dr. It is merely a convention that is used in Australia. Many countries don't follow this convention.

A person with a PhD has a legitimate right to use the Dr prefix. A person with a medical degree has no such right.

If you're are happy to use titles incorrectly I'm happy to be known an Sir Ralph.

Which countries don't follow the convention of having medical doctors call themselves "Dr" ?
I can't think of any off the top of my head. :?:

 

[k_sheep]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

I've got both, and I can tell you in a flash which one took about 5 times the work! Hint: it wasn't the PhD.

 

[JohnK]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

I think it is the reverse. We should probably call GP Doctors, Physicians to avoid confusion but that will butt up against Physicians who are specialists. Unless the GP DR has a PhD in which case they are Dr Dr. :shock:

Hey, didnt we move off from this?

My doctor looks after my health and prsecribes my medicine. A doctorate in an unrelated field means nothing to me.

 

[Pushka]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

My doctor looks after my health and prsecribes my medicine. A doctorate in an unrelated field means nothing to me.

Strangely enough the world of academia has a different perspective. I know, hard to believe.

 

[JohnK]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

Strangely enough the world of academia has a different perspective. I know, hard to believe.

And not so strangely academia is a minority. We are all different.

 

[Forg]

Re: QF "Seat Shifting"

I think it is the reverse. We should probably call GP Doctors, Physicians to avoid confusion but that will butt up against Physicians who are specialists. Unless the GP DR has a PhD in which case they are Dr Dr. :shock:

And what then if their surname is Doctor, and their given names are Doctor & Doctor?

 

[Pushka]

QF "Seat Shifting"

And not so strangely academia is a minority. We are all different.

Maybe but they are ones in control of the 'rules'.

Things are getting just a tad silly. Can we go back to the topic of seat switching?

 

[BettyB]

A medical practioner is NOT a doctor

Actually a person with a medical degree who holds only an undergraduate qualification is not entitled to the prefix of Dr. It is merely a convention that is used in Australia. Many countries don't follow this convention.

A person with a PhD has a legitimate right to use the Dr prefix. A person with a medical degree has no such right.

If you're are happy to use titles incorrectly I'm happy to be known an Sir Ralph.

Well said Sir Ralph