Tokyo Haneda slot - 2025

[Himeno]

IASC has posted a notice that this slot is now available for allocation to be utilised from 25 February 2025 and aim to have it allocated to an Australian airline by October 10

 

[05flyer]

IASC has posted a notice that this slot is now available for allocation to be utilised from 25 February 2025 and aim to have it allocated to an Australian airline by October 10

The stipulation that it has to be an Australian airline is interesting - I assume a requirement of the regulations that govern slot allocation?

That being so, I'd assume it's as good as secured for Qantas. It'll be interesting to see which city gets the prize. Sounds like it won't be too long until we find out.

 

[Dmac59]

That being so, I'd assume it's as good as secured for Qantas. It'll be interesting to see which city gets the prize. Sounds like it won't be too long until we find out.

I wouldn’t discount JQ

 

[JasonK]

Highly unlikely they'll want to split Jetstar across NRT and HND. MEL-HND seems the most likely (daily), or a combo MEL/BNE-HND flight (as they had previously).

 

[henrus]

The stipulation that it has to be an Australian airline is interesting - I assume a requirement of the regulations that govern slot allocation?

This is how the Japanese release the slots at Haneda. For every two slots they are assigned to a country then one local airline (Japanese) and one foreign airline (of that country) is eligible. Unlike other airports such as Heathrow, you can't lease the slots nor can you use them in a wet lease situation.

Obviously they have to follow process and release the slot to the public for any airline to request but when only the Qantas group (or VA who's handing the slot back) have the aircraft to use it then it's a sure bet you'll see a QF aircraft using it next year.

Highly unlikely they'll want to split Jetstar across NRT and HND.

Given they have no JQ/GK staff/resources at HND I'd say this is really unlikely. JQ/GK has a massive operation at T3 NRT.

 

[Himeno]

The stipulation that it has to be an Australian airline is interesting - I assume a requirement of the regulations that govern slot allocation?

That being so, I'd assume it's as good as secured for Qantas. It'll be interesting to see which city gets the prize. Sounds like it won't be too long until we find out.

HND isn't part of JP open skies agreements.
The slots at HND are allocated by the Japanese government to other nations on a 1:1 basis. Japanese carriers get a slot to fly from HND to that selected nation and airlines of that selected nation get a slot to fly to HND.

Australia has 3 HND slots, 2 day, 1 night.
Japan has allocated their side of these slots to ANA (the night and 1 day) and JL (the remaining day). All of which are used to fly to SYD.
Australia has allocated the slots to QF (the night and 1 day), both being used for SYD-HND, and the VA day slot which is now being returned after the CNS flight stops.

 

[jase05]

PER-HND a chance?

 

[Himeno]

PER-HND a chance?

I wouldn't think so. QF asked for MEL-HND when they applied for both day slots in 2019. I'd expect them to move MEL-NRT to HND. They might then resume PER-NRT if they have enough aircraft to do so.

 

[justinbrett]

The stipulation that it has to be an Australian airline is interesting - I assume a requirement of the regulations that govern slot allocation?

Why would the IASC be involved in anything that didn’t require an Australian airline? That’s literally their job.

 

[elanshin]

PER-HND a chance?

QF isn't even flying PER - NRT.

It's almost certainly going to be MEL - HND.

 

[AIRwin]

PER-HND a chance?

It must be daily?

 

[jrfsp]

Highly unlikely they'll want to split Jetstar across NRT and HND. MEL-HND seems the most likely (daily), or a combo MEL/BNE-HND flight (as they had previously).

How are load factors to JPN at the moment, seems to be over capacity. Maybe they'll consolidate BNE/MEL split out of HND and put out of NRT altogether.

 

[elanshin]

How are load factors to JPN at the moment, seems to be over capacity. Maybe they'll consolidate BNE/MEL split out of HND and put out of NRT altogether.

I wouldn't say over capacity, during peak season this is probably still not enough.
Offpeak NH and QF are running probably around 2/3 full and JL is a bit more.
But the bulk of the capacity is concentrated in SYD right now with 5 daily widebodies.

 

[HS-TQE]

QF isn't even flying PER - NRT.

It's almost certainly going to be MEL - HND.

I'd agree with that. PER-HND is only likely if the Western Australian Government (and PAPL) throws their partial taxpayer-funded Aviation Fund money in their attempt to attract the PER-HND service to their state, taking into consideration the International Wing requirements at the QF PER terminal.

 

[Ansett Nostalgic]

MEL-HND please!

 

[Must...Fly!]

Perth Haneda isn't happening. At best they do Narita but ANA's service hasn't been an amazing success has it?

 

[Himeno]

Perth Haneda isn't happening. At best they do Narita but ANA's service hasn't been an amazing success has it?

PER-NRT worked well for QF in the past. It was the last Japan route, besides SYD-TYO, that they removed following the global financial crisis and 2011 Tōhoku earthquake. It seemed to be working for ANA in 2018/19. Maybe not as much after covid shutdowns.

 

[Sprucegoose]

PER-HND a chance?

No chance - you lot do Bali!

 

[Must...Fly!]

PER-NRT worked well for QF in the past. It was the last Japan route, besides SYD-TYO, that they removed following the global financial crisis and 2011 Tōhoku earthquake. It seemed to be working for ANA in 2018/19. Maybe not as much after covid shutdowns.

They have limited widebody aircraft, I just can't see it. Singapore can't be downgauged either.

 

[JessicaTam]

[mod hat]
This thread has been spun off from the VA HND slot thread, as it is not VA specific.

Oh, and yes, sometimes Mods do sleep.
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