Tony Abbott - New Opposition Leader

[medhead]

I for one am tired of this ETS/methane discussion!

I personally leave no carbon footprint because I drive everywhere and if it's too far to drive I fly. Ergo no footprint!

And when I have to walk to/from the car/airplane I only walk on concrete - again no footprint

 

[straitman]

The only true wilderness is between a greenie's ears :!:

The practicality versus the theoretical is conveniently lost on them.

 

[Mr Ed]

I'm waiting for the next volcanic eruption like Mt Pinatubo, Mt St Helens even Krakatoa (spelling).
What will everybody do then?

I even heard someone say the Tsunamis we have experienced was caused by global warming.
What would geo's know?
hahahahahaahahahaha

 

[NYCguy]

I'm waiting for the next volcanic eruption like Mt Pinatubo, Mt St Helens even Krakatoa (spelling).
What will everybody do then?

No need to wait, it's happening right now! Apparently, one decent-sized hydrothermal vent emits as much CO2 as a 1000 megawatt coal-fired power station.

What are we to do - plug all the submarine volcanoes?

 

[Moody]

What are we to do - plug all the submarine volcanoes?

Yep - with climate change deniers.

 

[Dee Thom]

Yep - with climate change deniers.

Or Politicians like Penny Wrong................

Cheers Dee

 

[pblackm]

Interesting to read the comments of the large merchant bankers in the Fin Review this morning (Global pressure for local climate scheme - "leading bankers, including Merrill Lynch's global head of carbon market, Abyd Karmali). They are really disappointed with Australia and want us to get on with an ETS immediately. All for the good of mankind, and of course, for a modest commission and the odd bonus.

Methinks we now have the leaders for the next election.

After which and sometime prior to the subsequent election, Abbot will stand down and Hockey will take over.

As for the Rudd ETS, it is as posted by drron, a "taxation bill that is hoped will change peoples behavior. ".

And more power would be tacitly given to those whose "onerous" task it is to distribute the funds ... (I want that job!)

 

[medhead]

I'm waiting for the next volcanic eruption like Mt Pinatubo, Mt St Helens even Krakatoa (spelling).
What will everybody do then?

Oh my bad, i thought you were refering to that doco the howard years where they decribe costello as being like a volcanic eruption waiting to happen.

For an actual volcanic eruption, there is a cooling effect during to the smoke and ash and all that.

Actually, what we should do is just set off a few nuclear weapons, anyone who remembers the 80s will remember the threat of the nuclear winter.

 

[coco50]

One senses just a tad of dislike for Tony abbott.Unfortunately your scenario falls down in one important area.If you have a full Senate election the quota needed for election basically halves meaning more chance of Family First or some other fringe group getting in.No way would the Fairy ruddfather get control.Also more greens who also voted against the ETS.So I presume your comment"The filthy, rapacious, decadent, capitalist cough" applies to Bob Brown as well.

The way Abbott treated Bernie Banton gives a good indication of what a slime he is - and the voting public should never forgive him for that. I feel that even with smaller quotas the public should be fed up enough with the government battling with a hostile senate to give the govt close to a majority in the senate. I'm sure that Family Last Fielding in Vic won't get ALP prefs again and while Xenophobe seems to be a reasonable chap there needs to be a clear cut decision in the Senate. Yes - Bob Brown and all the Greens fit the epithet. The greens are so holier than thou on so many issues you would swear that they accompanied Moses to receive the 10 Commandments.

 

[medhead]

The way Abbott treated Bernie Banton gives a good indication of what a slime he is - and the voting public should never forgive him for that. I feel that even with smaller quotas the public should be fed up enough with the government battling with a hostile senate to give the govt close to a majority in the senate.

Trouble is the voting public still remember what happened last time they gave the government a majority in the senate.

 

[drron]

The way Abbott treated Bernie Banton gives a good indication of what a slime he is - and the voting public should never forgive him for that. I feel that even with smaller quotas the public should be fed up enough with the government battling with a hostile senate to give the govt close to a majority in the senate. I'm sure that Family Last Fielding in Vic won't get ALP prefs again and while Xenophobe seems to be a reasonable chap there needs to be a clear cut decision in the Senate. Yes - Bob Brown and all the Greens fit the epithet. The greens are so holier than thou on so many issues you would swear that they accompanied Moses to receive the 10 Commandments.

You mean they didn't?:shock::shock::shock:
And as to treatment of individuals the Fairy Ruddfather is no shining beacon.
As a General Physician I and my colleagues have certainly felt disadvantaged since the introduction of Medibank.I write or talk to health ministers and there are 3 who have listened-Dr Blewett,Peter Baume(himself a physician) and Tony Abbott.The only one who was able to get something done was Tony Abbott.I do concede the most interesting exchange of correspondence was with Dr.Blewett who had a great sense of humour.The best person was Peter Baume.What do you want in your politician?
Anyway I think Malcolm has already begun the whiteanting and whether Abbott survives until the next election is dependent on whether MT can find someone stupid enough to put their hand up.

 

[coco50]

The way Abbott treated Bernie Banton gives a good indication of what a slime he is - and the voting public should never forgive him for that. I feel that even with smaller quotas the public should be fed up enough with the government battling with a hostile senate to give the govt close to a majority in the senate. I'm sure that Family Last Fielding in Vic won't get ALP prefs again and while Xenophobe seems to be a reasonable chap there needs to be a clear cut decision in the Senate. Yes - Bob Brown and all the Greens fit the epithet. The greens are so holier than thou on so many issues you would swear that they accompanied Moses to receive the 10 Commandments.

You mean they didn't?:shock::shock::shock:
And as to treatment of individuals the Fairy Ruddfather is no shining beacon.
As a General Physician I and my colleagues have certainly felt disadvantaged since the introduction of Medibank.I write or talk to health ministers and there are 3 who have listened-Dr Blewett,Peter Baume(himself a physician) and Tony Abbott.The only one who was able to get something done was Tony Abbott.I do concede the most interesting exchange of correspondence was with Dr.Blewett who had a great sense of humour.The best person was Peter Baume.What do you want in your politician?
Anyway I think Malcolm has already begun the whiteanting and whether Abbott survives until the next election is dependent on whether MT can find someone stupid enough to put their hand up.

As a former teacher I can't agree with Julia Gillard's stance on "league tables" with NAPLAN scores, but I think her performance in the IR field and as DPM are very good. As a trade union member I do not want to see the country revert to the Howard/Abbott Work Choices model rejected at the last election. And regardless of what Abbot may have done in the Health Portfolio nevr forget the cruel and undignified humilation of Bernie Banton by Abbott. Good on Turnbull for sticking to his principles - Abbott will have six different view on things. BTW look at his shadow cabinet - yesterday's people - Kevin (remember Haneef?) Andrews, Bronwyn Bishop (who was good for a laugh as she interrogated Trevor Boucher in a Senate Committee hearing and Philip Ruddock

 

[Sprucegoose]

As a Liberal party member, I can tell you that Malcolm Turnbull (better know as Malcolm in the middle), was not liked at branch level. Tony Abbott is a better reflection of membership at branch level. Having said that, he may not be acceptable to the Media, who by a large find him a large and easy target. He will need to bring some consensus to the liberal party, at all levels, but the sniping has started, with Judi Making comments on the ABC. I will wait and see how he does, as I have learn't in Politics expect the unexpected, and be ready.

the ones who havent done the 'hard yards' :evil: usually are not well liked - similar to league players playing rugger..................

SPRUCE

 

[medhead]

And as to treatment of individuals the Fairy Ruddfather is no shining beacon.
As a General Physician I and my colleagues have certainly felt disadvantaged since the introduction of Medibank.I write or talk to health ministers and there are 3 who have listened-Dr Blewett,Peter Baume(himself a physician) and Tony Abbott.The only one who was able to get something done was Tony Abbott.I do concede the most interesting exchange of correspondence was with Dr.Blewett who had a great sense of humour.The best person was Peter Baume.What do you want in your politician?

It took me a while, but I think I realise you're not blaming Rudd for the introduction of medibank.
I'm really not sure how medibank negatively impacts on GPs. How can health insurance for hospital hurt GPs. Unless you mean medicare?

Really, I have great difficulty listening to the bleatings of medicos, because of the whole opthamology (however it's spelt) thing, cataract surgeons. I mean come on, Fred hollows could fix a cataract in the dirty in africa, with no running water, using a piece of wire and duct tape for 30 cents. But it costs $1000 to do the same operation in Australia. yeah right.

BTW I have heard first hand the sort of income these specialists have and as a GP I'm sure you have as well.

Ohh, but I do realise that GPs are the cutting edge and the most deserving of support and all that.

 

[Mr Ed]

Putting Climate change scientists with politicians is like putting children with paedophiles
Nasty things occur.

 

[straitman]

Putting Climate change scientists with politicians is like putting children with paedophiles
Nasty things occur.

.... and do you actually believe either of them :?:

 

[drron]

It took me a while, but I think I realise you're not blaming Rudd for the introduction of medibank.
I'm really not sure how medibank negatively impacts on GPs. How can health insurance for hospital hurt GPs. Unless you mean medicare?

Really, I have great difficulty listening to the bleatings of medicos, because of the whole opthamology (however it's spelt) thing, cataract surgeons. I mean come on, Fred hollows could fix a cataract in the dirty in africa, with no running water, using a piece of wire and duct tape for 30 cents. But it costs $1000 to do the same operation in Australia. yeah right.

BTW I have heard first hand the sort of income these specialists have and as a GP I'm sure you have as well.

Ohh, but I do realise that GPs are the cutting edge and the most deserving of support and all that.

You are obviously way to young.Medibank was introduced by the Whitlam government,it was the precursor to Medicare.
And i said i was a General Physician not a General Practitioner.Though both can be shortened to GP they are not the same.Many General Physicians earn less than GPs.It was this fact-ie the relative imbalance of the fees of those who consult compared to those that do proceedures(such as cataracts) that the Health ministers I mentioned recognised.

 

[medhead]

You are obviously way to young.Medibank was introduced by the Whitlam government,it was the precursor to Medicare.
And i said i was a General Physician not a General Practitioner.Though both can be shortened to GP they are not the same.Many General Physicians earn less than GPs.It was this fact-ie the relative imbalance of the fees of those who consult compared to those that do proceedures(such as cataracts) that the Health ministers I mentioned recognised.

Um, no I'm not that young at all. Unfortunately. I knew that medibank was introduced by the whitlam government and I'm fully aware that it still exists today. My parents insured with them and I still do. Maybe I need to study the early history a bit better, but as they exist today and since the start of medicare, the two schemes seem to have occupied different spaces. (and blewett and abbott are firmly in the medicare era). Anyway, you can't blame rudd for medibank. He's not that much older than me.

Sorry on the physician/practitioner thing. Complete mental block, I was thinking practitioner when writing GP.

 

[drron]

Um, no I'm not that young at all. Unfortunately. I knew that medibank was introduced by the whitlam government and I'm fully aware that it still exists today. My parents insured with them and I still do. Maybe I need to study the early history a bit better, but as they exist today and since the start of medicare, the two schemes seem to have occupied different spaces. (and blewett and abbott are firmly in the medicare era). Anyway, you can't blame rudd for medibank. He's not that much older than me.

Sorry on the physician/practitioner thing. Complete mental block, I was thinking practitioner when writing GP.

Medibank private of today is not the Medibank of Whitlam years.Medicare is the son of Whitlam's Medibank which was the first universal coverage that Australia had and introduced bulk billing.It had nothing to do with private hospital insurance as Medibank private does today.

 

[medhead]

Medibank private of today is not the Medibank of Whitlam years.Medicare is the son of Whitlam's Medibank which was the first universal coverage that Australia had and introduced bulk billing.It had nothing to do with private hospital insurance as Medibank private does today.

As I said I gotta check the history, but I understood that my medibank private insurance was taken up in the whitlam era, by my parents including me as a child. That private health insurance has continued unbroken since, afaik. Also medibank private being 'owned' by the government, i guess i assumed that it is the same thing.

So I'll definitely have to check up on that. cheers.