"TrouserGate" - Australian Cricketers Caught Ball Tampering

[JohnK]

I just hope the media don’t up play this loss but that’s not going to happen. Words like Sensational, staggering, worst ever, are the words that got us into this mess. God I hate the media.

It's not the medias fault we have a pathetic cricket team.

Now we need to play 4 tests against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, boost the batting averages into the mid-high thirties and pretend we have a cricket team.

 

[Quickstatus]

Media is looking for a story where there is none. And CA has totally overplayed it’s hand

 

[Pushka]

It's not the medias fault we have a pathetic cricket team.

Now we need to play 4 tests against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, boost the batting averages into the mid-high thirties and pretend we have a cricket team.

But it’s that kind of comment that makes people resort to whatever means possible thinking they must win or they are not worthy. That’s what the media perpetuates.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Love it - heard it again a couple of weeks ago from Danny Dyer - perfect with South London accent

I would have thought that he'd have been more visable and vocal as well...hmm. Disappointing

Unhappily, my thought about this Test has taken shape - we are getting a pasting, but I think it's what he had to happen to learn from this sordid event. The players are tired, emotional, and dis-spirited. Some will do well to have some time off.

Thought Renshaw would step back up to Test cricket given his good form domestically - he can't blame jet lag and looks like he was beaten by better bowlers. He looked a lot better in the second innings. Burns dug deep and that flat bat 6 off Rabada was a gem of a shot. What Khawaja was thinking padding up to Maharaj - well obviously the same as Faf in the SA first innings. Would love to think we could eke out a draw - but I doubt it. Will be watching tonight to see if Handscomb, the Marsh brothers, Paine and coughmings can mount a challenge.

I think the real tragedy is that, despite the stupidity of Warner et al, the South Africans and management with their unconscionable abuse of Australian wives, have managed disrupt the team and to secure the victory over Australia on home soil. History will show the results no matter how they were achieved.

 

[JohnK]

But it’s that kind of comment that makes people resort to whatever means possible thinking they must win or they are not worthy. That’s what the media perpetuates.

We don't need to win to be worthy.

We crumbled in a session last test and did the same this morning. Was that 7/38 this morning in 17 overs?

 

[rock86]

It's not the medias fault we have a pathetic cricket team.

Now we need to play 4 tests against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, boost the batting averages into the mid-high thirties and pretend we have a cricket team.

Bangladesh have a pretty handy test side at present, while they'll struggle a little in Australia, as a whole lot of touring sides do due to the lack of express pace & our woefully benign wickets, they won't be the easy beats of the past. Zimbabwe is a different story.

But it's great for Test cricket that Teir 1 sides are now being made to play these emerging nations.

 

[sjk]

We don't need to win to be worthy.

We crumbled in a session last test and did the same this morning. Was that 7/38 this morning in 17 overs?

It's very hard to understand what you actually do think about the whole situation, because you've made so many sarcastic statements, and have also been repeatedly critical of "arrogance".

How do you think things should have been handled?

 

[JohnK]

It's very hard to understand what you actually do think about the whole situation, because you've made so many sarcastic statements, and have also been repeatedly critical of "arrogance".

How do you think things should have been handled?

What happened in the 3rd test was embarassing. The ban that was given sounds about right. Hope to never see Warner play test cricket again.

Furure of Australian cricket? It will recover. We have the world's best bowling attack. Learn to be humble. Hope we never resort to sledging ever again. What Lyon and Warner did in first test is inexcusable.

Better batsmen? Get rid of drop in pitches and get rid of flat tracks in Shield cricket. Teach our batsmen to play the moving ball. Spin and swing. Flat track bullies only get you so far in test cricket.

 

[Pushka]

What happened in the 3rd test was embarassing. The ban that was given sounds about right. Hope to never see Warner play test cricket again.

Furure of Australian cricket? It will recover. We have the world's best bowling attack. Learn to be humble. Hope we never resort to sledging ever again. What Lyon and Warner did in first test is inexcusable.

Better batsmen? Get rid of drop in pitches and get rid of flat tracks in Shield cricket. Teach our batsmen to play the moving ball. Spin and swing. Flat track bullies only get you so far in test cricket.

You’ll never get rid of drop in pitches in Australia. That isn’t the problem. SA has one and that track is fine. Don’t know about the MCG, but it’s appalling and has been reported.

 

[sjk]

Three years ago from Martin Crowe:

Why cricket needs yellow and red cards

Watching from the luxury of my couch and after hearing numerous accounts from respected cricket people, there is a growing concern that David Warner's thuggish behaviour has gone too far. Soon one day it will lead to an incident that will sully the game for good.

(...)

Warner can play, but he is the most juvenile cricketer I have seen on a cricket field.

(...)

What must the talk be in the opposition dressing rooms about how to combat this daily occurrence? Do you stand up for yourself when confronted with Warner's spit and expletives or do you turn a blind eye? I dread to think, and it shouldn't be a choice.

 

[rock86]

Just read a few articles that the ACA believes the bans handed to the Australian trio are 'disproportionate' for the crimes & it is urging CA to reconsider the sanctions imposed, particularly allowing the player to return to domestic (shield & ODI) cricket earlier.

So it is looking more and more likely the ACA will advise the players to appeal only the sanctions, not the actual charges - which I thought would happen from the get go.

 

[kelvedon]

Just read a few articles that the ACA believes the bans handed to the Australian trio are 'disproportionate' for the crimes & it is urging CA to reconsider the sanctions imposed, particularly allowing the player to return to domestic (shield & ODI) cricket earlier.

So it is looking more and more likely the ACA will advise the players to appeal only the sanctions, not the actual charges - which I thought would happen from the get go.

I don’t see how they could appeal the charges when they’ve already admitted the offence

 

[Pushka]

I don’t see how they could appeal the charges when they’ve already admitted the offence

It could be argued that Warner has admitted absolutely nothing from his measly words.

 

[rock86]

I don’t see how they could appeal the charges when they’ve already admitted the offence

You may need to read the Code of Conduct then, it only provides a guideline of minimum & maximum sanctions & so it allows any players charged to appeal the sanctions imposed if they believe they are excessive, even if they admit to an offence.

 

[kelvedon]

You may need to read the Code of Conduct then, it only provides a guideline of minimum & maximum sanctions & so it allows any players charged to appeal the sanctions imposed if they believe they are excessive, even if they admit to an offence.

Appeal the sanctions not the charges?

 

[rock86]

Appeal the sanctions not the charges?

Just read a few articles that the ACA believes the bans handed to the Australian trio are 'disproportionate' for the crimes & it is urging CA to reconsider the sanctions imposed, particularly allowing the player to return to domestic (shield & ODI) cricket earlier.

So it is looking more and more likely the ACA will advise the players to appeal only the sanctions, not the actual charges - which I thought would happen from the get go.

Correct. The players won't appeal the charges (they've admitted them), however they may appeal the sanctions imposed which the ACA believe are excessive.

 

[drron]

I think the real tragedy is that, despite the stupidity of Warner et al, the South Africans and management with their unconscionable abuse of Australian wives, have managed disrupt the team and to secure the victory over Australia on home soil. History will show the results no matter how they were achieved.

Though when you read the link concerning Warner by Martin Crowe I now definitely believe that De Kock was truthful when alleging Warner was mouthing off about female relatives of the South Africans before the blow up on the stairs.
Crowe actually thought that Warner might end up getting king hit by an opposing player in retaliation for his behaviour.
Here it is if you missed it.
CA warned David Warner would 'sully' game

So if Warner appeals he should never be selected for any Australian team including State fixtures.

 

[Pushka]

Though when you read the link concerning Warner by Martin Crowe I now definitely believe that De Kock was truthful when alleging Warner was mouthing off about female relatives of the South Africans before the blow up on the stairs.
Crowe actually thought that Warner might end up getting king hit by an opposing player in retaliation for his behaviour.
Here it is if you missed it.
CA warned David Warner would 'sully' game

So if Warner appeals he should never be selected for any Australian team including State fixtures.

Quite the charmer hey. A bully. Who got away with it until now. That interview, the tears. Which goes back to the question, why didn’t CA do something about it. Clearly they weren’t brave enough to drop him, but wonder if any counselling occurred. Yet they didn’t pick Maxwell because he ‘wasnt the right type’. And the coach before Lehmann might have interesting stories to relate.

 

[QF WP]

Can't argue with Martin Crowe's assessment of Warner - Crowe always played hard but fair.

Warners brand is now tarnished and will continue to do so until he confirms or denies the "tell all" story rumours. As I have mentioned plenty of times, the day they ban sledging and bring it back to the gentlemans game is one I hope to see in my lifetime. There should be no "win at all costs" mentality.

Now to look forward to the 2018/19 season. International cricket in 2018–19 - Wikipedia

 

[Pushka]

Can't argue with Martin Crowe's assessment of Warner - Crowe always played hard but fair.

Warners brand is now tarnished and will continue to do so until he confirms or denies the "tell all" story rumours. As I have mentioned plenty of times, the day they ban sledging and bring it back to the gentlemans game is one I hope to see in my lifetime. There should be no "win at all costs" mentality.

Martins brother Jeff played for SA in the early 80’s.

The sledging has changed in recent times. The worst offenders in Australia at least in the last 40 years or so came from NSW. When Lillee was wreaking havoc in WA then that team only needed to reference his bowling and that was enough. There were the occasional family comments but they were manufactured so weren’t hurtful. Everyone treated it as a joke. But unfortunately these days it does get personal and real. But in Warner’s case that works both ways. Can’t protect and sympathise if that’s been his MO in the past.

Stupid bringing the PR consultant along because aside from the fact the person selected is a mindless self- PR machine, it sent the wrong message to the cricketing public with whom he was trying to gain support from. CA was in a bind. Highly likely he would never be selected again, so possibly the ban was completely unnecessary unless it was to prevent from getting his IPL income, although 6 months would have accomplished that.

I think ACA is also in a bind as it might want to represent two people but not Warner but it doesn’t work that way. Also wonder if other ACA members will be happy with paying any increased costs to them that legal advise may incur.