VA cracking down on carry on 7kg limit

[drron]

Yes but having wheels makes it easier for people to have more weight and wheeled bags inside the cabin are an absolute pain in the neck (or ankle).

So the elderly or infirm are not allowed to travel then?
Last night an article on TV where a 93 year old was travelling to France as it appeared that they have discovered where his brothers plane had crashed so where his remains are.Wheeled bags are a boon for these people.
My beef has always been the size and number of bags people carry on.What is the difference if 2 identical bags are brought aboard by different people and one weighs 6.9kg and is allowed on and one is 7.5kg and must be checked.No difference in the take off weight.

 

[coco50]

I have been travelling BNE - MEL for work (with VA as a Platinum velocity member) and I am always interested to see the sheer number of bags carried/wheeled/dragged/hefted by others in the lounge. Another regular flyer of my acquaintance always has a carry-on bag, computer bag and a garment bag - total weight about 20kg (according to him). Added to this is the extra weight of an incredibly large sense of entitlement he carts around and the associated disregard for fellow passengers (and the rules, which are, again according to him, for other, less important, people). I do hope he gets asked sometime soon "Sir could you please place your bags on the scale?"

He is probably a DYKWIA

 

[J_seeker]

Love it!! Often you see travelers with a carry bag on wheels that is borderline above the size and appears to be above weight, plus another larger bag plus another item plus a jacket etc. Prefer crack down in size or number of items but this is a great start.... if everyone did the right thing there would be no issues. That said perhaps 9 kilos would give a small buffer to be strictly exercised. Thanks

Congratulation on VA for an attempt to address this issue. Sadly it will only work if ALL carriers enforce the carry-on rules. I don't think some of the gate crew are made of the 'right stuff' to stand up to some of the DYKWIA types how break the rules.
If it's any consolation it's worse in North America. On a recent Air Canada flight a pax carry-on was too big for the overhead locker. The pax solution was to empty the soft sided case and place the items directly into the overhead and then fold to case on top! And yes they repacked the bag before disembarking - with half a planeload of pax waiting. Cabin crew did nothing. I voiced my opinion to Capt and crew at the aerobridge.

 

[Geniusloci]

He is probably a DYKWIA

Hah! He wishes! More like IWYAKWIA (I Wish You All Knew Who I Am). In any case I hope the VA staff response would be "IDCWYA, check your bags."

 

[Austman]

Yes but having wheels makes it easier for people to have more weight and wheeled bags inside the cabin are an absolute pain in the neck (or ankle).

But banning wheeled cabin luggage is *never* going to happen. And as established by independent studies and as even allowed by many airline policies, the weight is not much of a factor.

Limiting size and quantity will however make a difference.

 

[clipped_wings]

I own a small cabin-sized 4 wheeled carry bag. Part of my weight inventory is a delightful set of travel sized electronic scales. They let me know when I am overweight (I mean the bag, husband is good for the former) and they NEVER lie. I do like the wheels, because it allows us (believe this or not) to travel internationally without checked luggage. I am deadly serious. It is quite possible to go away for 4 days and live out of a 48cm trolley cabin bag.

As much as I loathe people who disregard the rules with their carry on, I am still on Team Wheels........

 

[clifford]

Interesting that most posters appear to be Newbies.

Is there a message there?

 

[williamsf1]

The last flight I did with RA there were no weight restrictions

Ryanair hand luggage allowance: From the 15th January 2018, cabin baggage allowance on all Ryanair flights will be changing. Only priority boarding passengers will be allowed one small bag (35x20x20cm), plus a larger cabin bag (55x40x20cm) with a maximum weight allowance of 10kg into the cabin. Passengers who do not have priority boarding will have their larger cabin bag taken at the boarding gate and placed into the hold for free.

 

[Brissy1]

Previously 10 kg was safe. I think that's a more practical weight limit. As Aust airlines progressively reduced from 10kg to 7kg, I progressively changed my preferred airline. Nowhere to go now.

 

[Austman]

Previously 10 kg was safe. I think that's a more practical weight limit. As Aust airlines progressively reduced from 10kg to 7kg, I progressively changed my preferred airline. Nowhere to go now.

Actually, as safety studies show, the most dangerous cabin luggage is the lightweight, odd shaped luggage. That type of cabin luggage causes far more injuries than a maximum size bag. It tends to move around and fall out easily.

If safety was the main concern, airlines should actually ban small cabin luggage.

 

[straitman]

Sitting, reading this thread for the first time today and shaking my head I find I am really struggling with some of the 'logic' people are using. (I've been on a cruise since mid March)

I wish people would actually provide a few of the safety studies they are quoting so they can actually be discussed. At the same time I am not specifically supporting a 7Kg limit. Maybe it should be 10Kg or something else but it certainly cannot be unlimited as a few are suggesting and this has nothing to do with making revenue from baggage allowances.

The overhead lockers will not take 23Kg from each pax as this would be way beyond their design rating. At the same time I have no idea how BA, AA and others present their safety case.

Look at this. A B737-8 with 174 seats would be carrying and extra 2784Kg if every pax carried 23Kg carryon. If it is checked luggage it can be allowed for but this way it is not. This has many performance, fuel management and maintenance implications. An example is FJ who are quite strict about their 7Kg limit and still run into MAUW limitations due to the hot weather they operate in.

IMHO the only reason we are having this discussion is that the airlines are their own worst enemies and don't enforce the rules they make.

 

[serfty]

Interesting that most posters appear to be Newbies.

Is there a message there?

Sort of - it was on the newsletter, but likely a hot button item for many.

 

[Denali]

Interesting that most posters appear to be Newbies.

Is there a message there?

Relatively safe topic to dip a new toe in?

 

[Denali]

And for wheels v no wheels. I want the adult Trunki.

 

[serfty]

Didn't have the heart to tell him he can take 2 carry-on plus garmet bag.

What airline?

 

[Denali]

What airline?

Etihad airline, VA reward. I haven't told you him he can take more and don't plan to.

 

[Jack_OC]

Look at this. A B737-8 with 174 seats would be carrying and extra 2784Kg if every pax carried 23Kg carryon. If it is checked luggage it can be allowed for but this way it is not. This has many performance, fuel management and maintenance implications.

Similarly, if the average weight of passengers themselves (not their luggage) increases by 16kg that plane would be carrying an extra 2784kg.

The variability among passengers’ weight is almost certainly higher than the variability among hand luggage weight, yet it seems to be a non issue, given that airlines don’t even check passengers weight.

 

[Pleb Status]

But those are the pretty small bins. Could they even fit any more than 2 x maximum size carry-ons?

For those particular bins on the SQ 772, it would appear that you could get two cabin bags in side by side plus a small amount of other stuff.

On the SQ 772ER however, from where I am currently sitting, it would appear that the larger bins are rated at 34kg each and you could get three cabin bags in plus a small amount of other stuff.



So about 10kg a bag on average is the design capacity for these long haul aircraft...

 

[UP4014]

Actually, as safety studies show, the most dangerous cabin luggage is the lightweight, odd shaped luggage. That type of cabin luggage causes far more injuries than a maximum size bag. It tends to move around and fall out easily.

If safety was the main concern, airlines should actually ban small cabin luggage.

Hi, I went googling for a study on this, can you point me in the right direction please.

 

[bertair]

The wanton abuse of the carry on limits has brought this crack down about. I have sat down after boarding and placed my briefcase in the overhead (under 7 kg) only to see a late arrival struggle with their wheelie to find what little room is left in the overheads and summoning all their strength to lift their over weight case up into the bin, over my head, almost dropping it on to my head, on one occasion.
And then there is the problem when there is a full cabin, with little room left in the overheads after they are filled with these wheelies, for anything else to fit in, that meets the regulation weight or size.
It shouldn't matter if the pax are flying any class or status, we are all on board and have to be considerate of each other don't you think ?