Vaccine Rollout in Australia - personal accounts.

[N860CR]

Please keep up. If people don't need to be vaccinated then I'm not forcing that on my daughter. It's a very simple concept.

Enough doing the right thing to protect the ignorant.

I’m trying to keep up, John, but your position gets more bizarre by the day.

In one breath you’re saying vaccination is there to protect people, but then you’re saying if others won’t do it, you won’t do it to protect your daughter?

How is vaccinating or not vaccinating your daughter “protecting the ignorant”.

You’ve done a wonderful job of proving that your obsession with this virus is purely about social controls.

It’s amazing that those of us who, for three years, have called for a measured response have been labeled crazies (and continue to be shutdown to this day)….

 

[clifford]

t’s amazing that those of us who, for three years, have called for a measured response have been labeled crazies (and continue to be shutdown to this day)….

Oh dear.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Note I refuse to vaccinate my daughter against covid.

Sorry, l'm now lost. Your response was to vaccinate and mask everyone, and now this statement.

 

[N860CR]

Oh dear.

If you’re going to comment, maybe actually add something to the conversation?

 

[stm1sydney]

Please keep up. If people don't need to be vaccinated then I'm not forcing that on my daughter. It's a very simple concept.

Enough doing the right thing to protect the ignorant.

And you still haven't answered this question (slightly restated): "So it is acceptable to you that young children died because they had a [dengue] vaccine when those that weren't vaccinated had a very much lower risk of death."?

 

[clifford]

If you’re going to comment, maybe actually add something to the conversation?

I actually thought I did add something to the discussion. But, of course, I may have been wrong.

Have a nice day and enjoy yourself.

 

[N860CR]

I actually thought I did add something to the discussion. But, of course, I may have been wrong.

Have a nice day and enjoy yourself.

Saying “oh dear” adds to a conversation? Yes, you are wrong.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

As someone who has now had two doses of AstraZeneca, a Pfizer booster, a Moderna booster and a little over a month ago a Novavax booster, have been on over 50 flights since COVID arrive in June last year and have dodged COVID thus far I think I can say they work. That being said, I am not relying solely on the vaccines like most people, I wear N95 respirators when indoors and practice social distancing whenever possible. But I’ve done it all, giving talks at conferences in Glasgow, visiting relatives in Canada, vacationing in Hawaii, without any issues. Now I know someone is gonna say, how do you know you didn’t have COVID during this time, you could be asymptomatic? I take rapid antigen tests once a week regardless of symptoms given my high risk status (immunocompromised).

I think the key take away is we need to learn to deal with COVID. We have the tools to return back to a normal where we can be both safe and enjoy the activities we had prior to the pandemic.

-RooFlyer88

 

[drron]

As someone who has now had two doses of AstraZeneca, a Pfizer booster, a Moderna booster and a little over a month ago a Novavax booster, have been on over 50 flights since COVID arrive in June last year and have dodged COVID thus far I think I can say they work. That being said, I am not relying solely on the vaccines like most people, I wear N95 respirators when indoors and practice social distancing whenever possible. But I’ve done it all, giving talks at conferences in Glasgow, visiting relatives in Canada, vacationing in Hawaii, without any issues. Now I know someone is gonna say, how do you know you didn’t have COVID during this time, you could be asymptomatic? I take rapid antigen tests once a week regardless of symptoms given my high risk status (immunocompromised).

I think the key take away is we need to learn to deal with COVID. We have the tools to return back to a normal where we can be both safe and enjoy the activities we had prior to the pandemic.

-RooFlyer88

A study of one means diddly squat.
And RAT don't test for previous infections so doesn't exclude the chance you have had it.
I got Covid after 4 vaccine shots and that is what real world studies now show. very little difference in the chance of becoming infected by being vaccinated.

 

[Pushka]

A study of one means diddly squat.
And RAT don't test for previous infections so doesn't exclude the chance you have had it.
I got Covid after 4 vaccine shots and that is what real world studies now show. very little difference in the chance of becoming infected by being vaccinated.

Same here. Positive after four vaccinations but no symptoms. Husband also but somewhat symptomatic. Ditto for two friends who returned from USA last week. Both symptomatic. Interestingly they loss smell and taste.

 

[stm1sydney]

It is now quite clear from the data that the jabs prevent neither infection nor transmission, but MAY have some short-term therapeutic benefit. But then you factor in the deaths from the jabs and the lack of long-term safety data, and the cost/benefit analysis for lower age groups becomes problematic. Absolutely no scientific basis for jab mandates. As noted by Rooflyer88, we just need to deal with it.

 

[prozac]

Same here. Positive after four vaccinations but no symptoms. Husband also but somewhat symptomatic. Ditto for two friends who returned from USA last week. Both symptomatic. Interestingly they loss smell and taste.

Ms Prozac has had it twice. Can't taste pineapple. She has friends who have lost all taste and smell after covid. I have a friend who had it recently and said he got numbness in his right arm and leg. Sensation is slowly returning now 8 weeks post infection.

EDIT: The initial covid reports showed a large number of deaths in China from the infection. An investigative reporter was able to show the deaths were under-reported by showing, amongst other indicators, the number of cremation urns ordered by city crematorium greatly exceeded the number of China government reported deaths.

 

[MooTime]

It is now quite clear from the data that the jabs prevent neither infection nor transmission, but MAY have some short-term therapeutic benefit. But then you factor in the deaths from the jabs and the lack of long-term safety data, and the cost/benefit analysis for lower age groups becomes problematic. Absolutely no scientific basis for jab mandates. As noted by Rooflyer88, we just need to deal with it.

I dare say if nobody had any jabs whatsoever, there'd be a lot more deaths around the world.

The jabs, mandated or not, have done very well.

we've all had a few jabs, let's get on with the life, been a learning experience last few years & how all have handled it. time to get back to normal.
And let's hope Putin does have cancer, a very aggressive type btw. So many needless family members dying for nothing. Just terrible.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

Is anyone allowed a 5th jab now?
Any age group?

Update: ATAGI is likely to recommend a fifth dose in January for those who want another round at the vaccine buffet!

It is now quite clear from the data that the jabs prevent neither infection nor transmission, but MAY have some short-term therapeutic benefit. But then you factor in the deaths from the jabs and the lack of long-term safety data, and the cost/benefit analysis for lower age groups becomes problematic. Absolutely no scientific basis for jab mandates. As noted by Rooflyer88, we just need to deal with it.

There is a lack of quality studies that have looked at the impact of vaccination on catching or transmitting COVID. So many confounds that could impact its efficacy Including whether those vaccinated are practicing masking and social distancing, the vaccine schedule they receive, how many doses, etc. Given the lack of information on this topic and the fact that each vaccine has shown to be safe on balance, it would make sense to ignore Dr. Fauci, the CDC and other eggheads who advise against vaccination and simply get the jab when you can get it.

Ms Prozac has had it twice. Can't taste pineapple. She has friends who have lost all taste and smell after covid. I have a friend who had it recently and said he got numbness in his right arm and leg. Sensation is slowly returning now 8 weeks post infection.

Scary! And we still don’t know much about COVID even after close to three years of it in circulation. Hopefully we do find treatments for all of this soon!

EDIT: The initial covid reports showed a large number of deaths in China from the infection. An investigative reporter was able to show the deaths were under-reported by showing, amongst other indicators, the number of cremation urns ordered by city crematorium greatly exceeded the number of China government reported deaths.

Correct. Millions have likely died in China from COVID. It is an inconvenient truth that they don’t want to share because it would undermine their zero COVID policy that is based on ideology and not science. It would invalidate their ineffective vaccines that require many doses before you get any immunological response.

And let's hope Putin does have cancer, a very aggressive type btw. So many needless family members dying for nothing. Just terrible.

Saying Putin has cancer adds no value - he has been a cancer on the Russian Federation since 2000. Let’s hope they excise this cancer one way or another and I’ll just leave it at that.

-RooFlyer88

 

[CMA222]

Saying Putin has cancer adds no value - he has been a cancer on the Russian Federation since 2000. Let’s hope they excise this cancer one way or another and I’ll just leave it at that.

-RooFlyer88

Suggesting (and hoping) Putin might have cancer gives some the satisfaction that he might suffer at least to a very minor extent the pain he has inflicted in his personal vendetta.

It will be a wait-and-see for what the outcome is of "long covid", if any, but in the meantime avoiding covid requires some common sense and the science of past and future strategies to minimise exposure.

 

[N860CR]

As someone who has now had two doses of AstraZeneca, a Pfizer booster, a Moderna booster and a little over a month ago a Novavax booster, have been on over 50 flights since COVID arrive in June last year and have dodged COVID thus far I think I can say they work. That being said, I am not relying solely on the vaccines like most people, I wear N95 respirators when indoors and practice social distancing whenever possible. But I’ve done it all, giving talks at conferences in Glasgow, visiting relatives in Canada, vacationing in Hawaii, without any issues. Now I know someone is gonna say, how do you know you didn’t have COVID during this time, you could be asymptomatic? I take rapid antigen tests once a week regardless of symptoms given my high risk status (immunocompromised).

I think the key take away is we need to learn to deal with COVID. We have the tools to return back to a normal where we can be both safe and enjoy the activities we had prior to the pandemic.

-RooFlyer88

Fair bit of confirmation bias there. Bit like saying “I never got covid so the masks worked” or “I never got covid so my wrist band that said GO AWAY COVID worked”

Vaccines were never designed to stop transmission and it’s been categorically proven that they don’t. Your single test case is certainly not any form of proof that they work to achieve this.

 

[Pushka]

Fair bit of confirmation bias there. Bit like saying “I never got covid so the masks worked” or “I never got covid so my wrist band that said GO AWAY COVID worked”

Vaccines were never designed to stop transmission and it’s been categorically proven that they don’t. Your single test case is certainly not any form of proof that they work to achieve this.

Just like I often joke to people I know well, that Trump was right. I'm the only person I know who is on Hydroxychloroquine and I'm the only person I know who had covid so mildly I only knew I had it as I tested as a close contact.

 

[blackcat20]

I'm a bit late, but getting my fourth shot/booster today. Was due in September but we were away, then we've just been busy and it seemed best to wait for the bivalent booster.

 

[JohnK]

And you still haven't answered this question (slightly restated): "So it is acceptable to you that young children died because they had a [dengue] vaccine when those that weren't vaccinated had a very much lower risk of death."?

I'm sorry but at no point did I say that was acceptable and I will never say that's acceptable.

The discussion regarding vaccines is relevant.

I mentioned chicken pox and there are no answers. It's a safe vaccine. Measles. Mumps. Rubella. Hepatitis. All safe. Why is any child allowed to live in Australia and not be vaccinated?

Back to covid. Here is a relatively dangerous virus. They had to do something quickly to stop the spread. Social distancing. Masks. Quarantine and isolation. And then vaccine.

Once the vaccines came out the choice for individuals should have gone out the window. What if only 50% vaccinated? Not desirable and won't achieve much. What if only 25% vaccinated? Waste of time.

Now we've come to the point where vaccination is not compulsory and there are so many variants vaccination is not as effective. Plus more people are not vaccinating. More people are moving around again. Virus is spreading even if vaccinated.

So I chose not to vaccinate my daughter. Why is that any different to anyone else choosing not to vaccinate? Hypocrite? I can't be a hypocrite. I've had 2 boosters and about to get a 3rd.

Myocarditis is causing issues in those that have had covid but we're more concerned about a smaller number of people with myocarditis after getting vaccinated. No vaccine Is going to be 100% safe. We can't wait for a vaccine to be safe. And the only way forward is with vaccination.

Even with Australias high covid rates we don't understand how lucky we have it. My wife and daughter have been in Thailand for the past 8 months. Covid is under control here but not in the semi rural areas. There are roughly 15,000 people here. Our little community here is much smaller. Vaccination rates very low. Someone with covid at least every month and quite a few deaths from covid this year. Just this week my daughter's prep teacher has covid so my daughter is not going to school as we're leaving in a few days.

My stance has not changed. I'd prefer if we had 100% vaccination rate but that is not likely to happen. And covid is not going away.

 

[Pushka]

I'm sorry but at no point did I say that was acceptable and I will never say that's acceptable.

The discussion regarding vaccines is relevant.

I mentioned chicken pox and there are no answers. It's a safe vaccine. Measles. Mumps. Rubella. Hepatitis. All safe. Why is any child allowed to live in Australia and not be vaccinated?

Back to covid. Here is a relatively dangerous virus. They had to do something quickly to stop the spread. Social distancing. Masks. Quarantine and isolation. And then vaccine.

Once the vaccines came out the choice for individuals should have gone out the window. What if only 50% vaccinated? Not desirable and won't achieve much. What if only 25% vaccinated? Waste of time.

Now we've come to the point where vaccination is not compulsory and there are so many variants vaccination is not as effective. Plus more people are not vaccinating. More people are moving around again. Virus is spreading even if vaccinated.

So I chose not to vaccinate my daughter. Why is that any different to anyone else choosing not to vaccinate? Hypocrite? I can't be a hypocrite. I've had 2 boosters and about to get a 3rd.

Myocarditis is causing issues in those that have had covid but we're more concerned about a smaller number of people with myocarditis after getting vaccinated. No vaccine Is going to be 100% safe. We can't wait for a vaccine to be safe. And the only way forward is with vaccination.

Even with Australias high covid rates we don't understand how lucky we have it. My wife and daughter have been in Thailand for the past 8 months. Covid is under control here but not in the semi rural areas. There are roughly 15,000 people here. Our little community here is much smaller. Vaccination rates very low. Someone with covid at least every month and quite a few deaths from covid this year. Just this week my daughter's prep teacher has covid so my daughter is not going to school as we're leaving in a few days.

My stance has not changed. I'd prefer if we had 100% vaccination rate but that is not likely to happen. And covid is not going away.

I'm sorry but I'm very confused. I thought you inferred earlier in the other thread you'd had your daughter vaccinated for covid stating she was fully covered, but you didn't? But want to mandate vaccinations for all eligible people and that currently includes your daughter. But you exercised your right not to vaccinate her but deny others the same option.