Velocity Offer 'that's out of this world'

[Mal]

Still I was assurred that it would have REAL value to me by my measures...so it must be better...musn't it????

"your measures" ???? Care to define them?

I still think the negativity shown in this thread is mainly due to Velocity offering the promotion vs Qantas FF ....

 

[oz_mark]

So, last time the 25% promotion was on, complaints were Amex weren't paying up by end of Nov to take advantage of it

This time, assuming Amex payup tomorrow, can take advantage of it, but 25% is not enough??

Some folk are never happy!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

"your measures" ???? Care to define them?

....

I already did..earlier in this thread.

"For me and where I want to fly putting points to SQ is better value."

So Virgin need to deliver a better earn and burn for international destinations that I want to fly to from MEL...than what I can achieve from Amex to SQ.

If so they will win my business...if not they will not.

Crazydave indicated that Virgin would deliver based on what I subsequently wrote which included this...so I am waiting to see if he delivers.

As others have vouched for Crazydave ..and baked me in the process for suggesting that he might be indulging in gilding the lily somewhat, I am confident that he will deliver.

Are you?

I still think the negativity shown in this thread is mainly due to Velocity offering the promotion vs Qantas FF ....

Well I can't speak for others...but again earlier in this thread I dismissed the QF million point lottery as a gimmick and it is irrelevant to me in terms of altering my behaviour..it has not and will not. Others may find such promos attractive but they are not for me.

 

[JohnK]

Careful..if you question the spin of the Virgin spinners you will be labeled a Troll.

Then so be it. I have been anxiously wating for something useful and all we have had so far is press leaks and statements released on 25% bonus points for Amex transfers and buckleys chance to win a prize if you fly Virgin often enough times in the next 4 months. If that is a decent promotion in someones warped mind then they are sadly mistaken and should look for alternate employment....

 

[straitman]

Then so be it. I have been anxiously wating for something useful and all we have had so far is press leaks and statements released on 25% bonus points for Amex transfers and buckleys chance to win a prize if you fly Virgin often enough times in the next 4 months. If that is a decent promotion in someones warped mind then they are sadly mistaken and should look for alternate employment....

JohnK,

Whilst I don't disagree with you I still don't see this promotion as being any worst than some that Qantas has run in recent times.

 

[JohnK]

Whilst I don't disagree with you I still don't see this promotion as being any worst than some that Qantas has run in recent times.

It is not the promotion. It is all the hype and the expectation that has been generated and "watch this space" for something special. Some people may like it but it is not special in my mind. I really don't have too much time for (not so clever) marketing spin.

At the same time the recent QF promotion of an extra 1,000 QFF points on some hotels bookings had some merit. I also found the QF 5,000 bonus point promotion useful if having a Qf flight flight number and another Oneworld flight on the same booking....

 

[NSWhere]

Similarly, my disappointment with what this promotion seems to be has nothing to do with QF loyalty. Domestically I fly almost exclusively with VB (PER-MEL return fortnightly) and when I fly Oneworld I credit to AA. I am confident that pretty much whatever VB did it would have been superior to the pathetic QF offering.

My disappointment is that, compared with the hype, this promo has been a fizzle. With a one in a million chance at winning (back of envelope figure) the prize has an expected value to me of 25 Velocity points, the same amount I earn by buying a cheap lunch on Amex, so for all intents and purposes it is worthless.

The apparent 25% bonus is something, but I would have expected one of these promos to come up within the next four months anyway....

 

[straitman]

Point taken :!: :shock:

 

[ANstar]

Still I was assurred that it would have REAL value to me by my measures...so it must be better...musn't it????

Ok...

So far we know there are 3 main prizes and a bonus of 25% on all transfers.

I don't see how this is such a rotten deal?

I already did..earlier in this thread.

"For me and where I want to fly putting points to SQ is better value."

So Virgin need to deliver a better earn and burn for international destinations that I want to fly to from MEL...than what I can achieve from Amex to SQ. .

They won't offer similar burn/earn rates as SQ. Their main competitor is QF, so they will compete against there program, so I'll guess you will never be happy with any promo QF or DJ do.

 

[vet]

I understand the promo was designed with an untargetted shotgun approach, but imo someone still 'missed'.

The flavour of business posters is that Q has it all so why change.

25% for the average family's accrued points isn't enough, imo, given they
- are flying Tiger, Jetstar et al to more countries than V seems to go;
-were kidnapped by qff direct earn cards: eg NAB rewards can only go to qff and I doubt people will walk away from their points;
- have Woolies' qff rewards which also earn a $100 shopping voucher;
- buy Safeway Caltex petrol that earns qff points;
- go to chain stores which offer 'double points' etc.
- want Qantas'/Jetstar's routes;
- can book on one site without having to deal with disjointed separate airlines with separate websites and different luggage rules. I can fly SFO with free ski bags or fly Hawaiian to Sacramento and pay $us630 for ski bags. Hmmm, tough choice. Or fly to LAX on V and get domestic flights that the exchange rate simply adds big bucks to;

Nor, imo, will 25% be enough to get the average family to upgrade to 'anyseat anytime' or buy premium economy.

Nor, imo, will it get families in a recession deciding its worth taking a holiday, particularly to places that charge $US.

Nor is it enough of a financial lure, imo, to entice families in 9-5 jobs to pull the kids out of Grades 1 to 9 for a trip to V's domestic or international destinations. And are business travellers that keen on V over QFF? Not judging by the flavour of posts on various websites.

Hopefully there's more to this promo.

And 25% of the elusive amex boni is presently zero. Any more delays by Amex will scuttle many plans for travel in 11 months time.

 

[pauly7]

Similarly, my disappointment with what this promotion seems to be has nothing to do with QF loyalty. ....

I agree. I fly both carriers, more QF because one of my employers is 100% QF and the other is BFOD but I still end up on QF 60-70% of the time anyway.

If this was a QF promo it would be rubbish as well to me (I thought the QF win a million billion points whatever, was a waste of space too but unsuprised DJ have copied it). I couldn't care less about 'chance to win' promos. John K summed it up well, the 'everybody wins' promos are far more appealing - like bonus points on hotels, the JQ starclass promo atm, % off redemptions etc.

But you have to consider what Virgin are trying to do. Get publicity, appeal to their bread and butter which typically aren't the people posting on this board! If they just did the more value driven 'everyone wins' promos it isn't going to make much noise and I would guess perhaps they still don't have critical mass with their program to drive the same return as QF.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Ok...

. Their main competitor is QF, so they will compete against there program, .

So from that can I conclude that VB are not willing to deliver "real value" as their out of this world offer from your comment is to be limited by only wanting to knock off one other airline.

so I'll guess you will never be happy with any promo QF or DJ do.

Not sure why you say that as I have taken advantage of various QF promos over the years.

Some individual promos from VB were tempting...BUT what has always stopped me from using them is when I consider what I would do with the points once gained with VB. There is little attraction there for me.

And as with any FF program one needs to gather points over time to build an award. So far VB does not provide enough real value for the redemptions that I want to have for me go out of my way to earn points with them whether that be through promos, partners or VB itself.

While VB's main domestic competitor is QF..it is not it's only competitor.

Airlines linked with CC buy points from Airlines with cash and it is profitable for airlines to seel points to the airlines. So for me SQ and VB are competitors for my business.....amongst many others.

VB is a competitor in this market, but they do not get any custom from me as some of their competitors offer better offers for my purposes.

This is nothing to do with loyalty, but is a cold hard decision based on reward vs outlay. If VB produced a better offer I would swap over in a heartbeat. (As for example I have flown VB because the cost of the flight was cheaper than flying with QF and gaining FF points in it's program. However I get very cheap QC Membership which is also tax deductable and so if the premium is small I will still fly QF or JQ. I have booked a Tiger flight for example in May beacuse $113 for two return to the Goald Coast was too good to pass up)

For my purposes SQ is the current leader. QF gets some "business" from me due to some opportunities to earn points that SQ does not provide, or because some promos offer better to me value.

ie the current Earth Promo has generated a 3 month window where I am earning points by CC to QF. After that it will be back to SQ for my Amex earn. My VISA earn will still be most likely going to SQ as I havea Citibank Card.


Now it is each to their own..as what is real value is different for each off us. For me VB, its partners and promos do not deliver enough value to gain my business which includes which CC I have and use.

Now VB are quite entitled to decide what business it chases, which markets etc..

But if an employee, such as Crazydave, comes on to a forum such as this personally in my view it is crossing the line for them to fuel company promos. He should stick to just answering questions or delivering facts rather than fuelling marketing hype.

There is a fine line there I guess. But for example TravelGuru treads it well.

 

[medhead]

25% for the average family's accrued points isn't enough, imo, given they
- are flying Tiger, Jetstar et al to more countries than V seems to go;
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- can book on one site without having to deal with disjointed separate airlines with separate websites and different luggage rules.

Sorry what is this One website that you talk about. As far as I can tell Tiger, Jetstar and Qantas all have separate booking sites. Otherwise, if you mean V group, I can't see how V having one booking site would be a disadvantage as implied by your list.

 

[comint]

Sorry what is this One website...

I think the comparison might be between Virgin Blue Group and Qantas Group. Try booking a flight from PER-OOL on qantas.com.au and virginblue.com.au. Plus remember that in what ever city you transfer, Qantas Airways Ltd will require you to collect and recheck your luggage, and won't issue boarding passes for the full journey!

Worth noting - Virgin Blue is only a few stops away from becoming the airline that flies to more destinations in Australia than any other! (Currently, if my figures are right, it is just behind Rex and slightly ahead of Eastern & Sunstate. Although with the MacAir situation, Sunstate may add new routes?)

Thus only 1 airline can offer you easy-connections to all major domestic population centres. Only 1 airline offers a premium in-flight experience to 27(?) destinations across Australia. Only 1 airline group gives you points & status on every flight every time. etc...

It might surprise you to know, that 1 airline is - Virgin Blue.

 

[medhead]

I think the comparison might be between Virgin Blue Group and Qantas Group. Try booking a flight from PER-OOL on qantas.com.au and virginblue.com.au. Plus remember that in what ever city you transfer, Qantas Airways Ltd will require you to collect and recheck your luggage, and won't issue boarding passes for the full journey!

Worth noting - Virgin Blue is only a few stops away from becoming the airline that flies to more destinations in Australia than any other! (Currently, if my figures are right, it is just behind Rex and slightly ahead of Eastern & Sunstate. Although with the MacAir situation, Sunstate may add new routes?)

Thus only 1 airline can offer you easy-connections to all major domestic population centres. Only 1 airline offers a premium in-flight experience to 27(?) destinations across Australia. Only 1 airline group gives you points & status on every flight every time. etc...

It might surprise you to know, that 1 airline is - Virgin Blue.

Hence my surprise that the website thing would be listed as a negative that would stop people from switching to DJ just for a 25% points bonus.

 

[drron]

I think the comparison might be between Virgin Blue Group and Qantas Group. Try booking a flight from PER-OOL on qantas.com.au and virginblue.com.au. Plus remember that in what ever city you transfer, Qantas Airways Ltd will require you to collect and recheck your luggage, and won't issue boarding passes for the full journey!

Worth noting - Virgin Blue is only a few stops away from becoming the airline that flies to more destinations in Australia than any other! (Currently, if my figures are right, it is just behind Rex and slightly ahead of Eastern & Sunstate. Although with the MacAir situation, Sunstate may add new routes?)

Thus only 1 airline can offer you easy-connections to all major domestic population centres. Only 1 airline offers a premium in-flight experience to 27(?) destinations across Australia. Only 1 airline group gives you points & status on every flight every time. etc...

It might surprise you to know, that 1 airline is - Virgin Blue.

And for those of us that work in some remote areas DJ interlines with Rex-a real bonus not having to worry about your checked bags.

 

[ANstar]

25 Million Points : Home Page

1 main prize of 25 million points (can be used 1 of 4 ways)

For everyone else

- 25% bonus on card transfers before 15th April
- 100% bonus with most partners (ie hotels, Virgin Mobile) 200% with the wine room

 

[Mal]

- 25% bonus on card transfers before 15th April

50% bonus from ANZ Business One Visa. Commbank transfers are also marked at 50% but weirdly in the blurb it flicks from 50% to 25%. T&C's don't seem to help.

 

[edman]

25 Million Points : Home Page

1 main prize of 25 million points (can be used 1 of 4 ways)

For everyone else

- 25% bonus on card transfers before 15th April
- 100% bonus with most partners (ie hotels, Virgin Mobile) 200% with the wine room

Some cards its actually a 50% bonus. Interestingly, the Citibank card info screen hasn't got all the info loaded yet, and I'm curious as to whether they will improve the exchange rate from 1.5-1 to 1-1. CBA Platinum is already 1-1 plus there is a 50% bonus from Velocity which makes it a more reasonable deal.

 

[oz_mark]

25 Million Points : Home Page

1 main prize of 25 million points (can be used 1 of 4 ways)

For everyone else

- 25% bonus on card transfers before 15th April
- 100% bonus with most partners (ie hotels, Virgin Mobile) 200% with the wine room

So you don't actually get 25 million points? Rather a choice of 4 prizes "equivalent"* to 25 million poinsts?


*Still working on how equivalent.