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affal said:
I worry that my refusal to pay RRP leads to the RRP inflation that we all hate, hence I am part of the problem.
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No, that's just one extreme variation of a marketing ploy.
It's been legal for merchants to sell for less than RRP since 1974, with Farmer Brothers in Canberra leading the way for wine discounting.
Much of the time since then there has been an excess of supply over demand, except for some high quality and "cult" wines.
The "inflate RRP - massive discount" ploy is relatively recent and slowly spreading, but still to only a very small proportion of producers. I can't remember exactly who started it, but Get Wines Direct was probably instrumental as they bought up some failed "premium" brands and kept the RRP the same as the quality and selling prices were reduced.
 
Mynameislucluc said:
Serious question.

Do many people in here, buy wine at the recommended retail price...let's say something that was rated 96 points and above by JH and compare it to wine around the same value from VM? Plenty of JH96+ for $25 & above
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I buy plenty at full rrp, mainly from smaller producers that don't get distributed by dan murphys/ vintage cellars / vinomofo/ twc etc. With riesling you can get some amazing wines for that $25-30 figure and they don't get discounted so much. Re Chardy..... I don't think i've yet found an awesome $25-30 example that I would seriously stock up on. So for me it's a case of knowing some producers where I really like their $60+ line/s and then trying to find it discounted. Same with Pinot.

Re Cabernet then there are a few WA bargains around that $30-35 mark. Try the 2018 Domaine Naturaliste Rebus. But unfortunately better fruit and more attention goes into more expensive wines.

I think you know that there are some wineries where prices are massively inflated, so I avoid those generally. Identify some producers or regions you really like and are comfortable paying rrp for their good stuff and then seek out their bargains when they come along. And don't get too stressed if you miss a deal, there are always plenty more on their way.
 
roc said:
I buy plenty at full rrp, mainly from smaller producers that don't get distributed by dan murphys/ vintage cellars / vinomofo/ twc etc. With riesling you can get some amazing wines for that $25-30 figure and they don't get discounted so much. Re Chardy..... I don't think i've yet found an awesome $25-30 example that I would seriously stock up on. So for me it's a case of knowing some producers where I really like their $60+ line/s and then trying to find it discounted. Same with Pinot.

Re Cabernet then there are a few WA bargains around that $30-35 mark. Try the 2018 Domaine Naturaliste Rebus. But unfortunately better fruit and more attention goes into more expensive wines.

I think you know that there are some wineries where prices are massively inflated, so I avoid those generally. Identify some producers or regions you really like and are comfortable paying rrp for their good stuff and then seek out their bargains when they come along. And don't get too stressed if you miss a deal, there are always plenty more on their way.
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I agree, if you don't buy at full RRP you are definitely missing out on the better wines of the world.
Most good wines don't get discounted unless they are mass produced (Penfolds etc)
 
sietes said:
Most good wines don't get discounted unless they are mass produced (Penfolds etc)
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I disagree with "most" here, but my definition of "good wines" might be different to yours.
My definition is "wines I like to drink and can afford". The wines I buy are mostly from smaller producers, not from the likes of TWE. There are very few wines in that category where you cannot get a discount for 6-pack or dozen buys, whether direct from the winery or via independent retailers who stock wines from smaller producers.
I can afford Rockford and Wendouree, but I don't think Rockford are worth the asking price and the seemingly random Wendouree process with no long-term customer loyalty has seen me move on from there too.
If you cultivate a relationship with some of the smaller e-tailers and buy "enough" wine you can sometimes also gain access to extra discounts or "mates rates", even on wines not normally discounted.
 
sietes said:
I agree, if you don't buy at full RRP you are definitely missing out on the better wines of the world.
Most good wines don't get discounted unless they are mass produced (Penfolds etc)
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Ummmm what brings you here then... (sorry in advance if that sounds rude)
 
I don't think buying good wine you know at RRP and buying decent wine at a bargain price are mutually exclusive.

I love a bargain and I buy a lot of wine at auction but I also buy wines I know not far off RRP if they are not generally discounted and I buy a bit at cellar door when I go tasting, notwithstanding it's the most expensive place to buy most wines.
 
The Warlock said:
Yes, I’ve experienced bottle variation too.

First bottle was fantastic.
The second was oxidised the cork came out far too easily and I had to tip it away.
VM playing a numbers game on who would be notice and return it. Hoping my others are okay because I cannot return them now…
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Reminds me that I opened a 2013 Clarendon Hills Syrah on the weekend at a family get together. Corked, poured down the drain. I'd had it cellared for at least 2 years :-(
 
redbigot said:
No, that's just one extreme variation of a marketing ploy.
It's been legal for merchants to sell for less than RRP since 1974, with Farmer Brothers in Canberra leading the way for wine discounting.
Much of the time since then there has been an excess of supply over demand, except for some high quality and "cult" wines.
The "inflate RRP - massive discount" ploy is relatively recent and slowly spreading, but still to only a very small proportion of producers. I can't remember exactly who started it, but Get Wines Direct was probably instrumental as they bought up some failed "premium" brands and kept the RRP the same as the quality and selling prices were reduced.
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Yes - The Colonial Estate and Songlines are good examples of this. Plus Cathcart Ridge (the 2004 was magnificent) and Virgin Hills/Hope Estate on Grays.
 
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Tanark2 said:
I don't think buying good wine you know at RRP and buying decent wine at a bargain price are mutually exclusive.

I love a bargain and I buy a lot of wine at auction but I also buy wines I know not far off RRP if they are not generally discounted and I buy a bit at cellar door when I go tasting, notwithstanding it's the most expensive place to buy most wines.
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Fair enough but I wouldn't confuse discounting, even heavy discounting, with a wine that is only "decent" as opposed to an undiscounted one that is "good". I'm frequently amazed at how little my wine dollar will buy when I go to a bottle shop compared to what I can buy online in terms of quality, I guess our point of departure is that I mostly buy wine only if it has been discounted and only if is "good" :) .
 
Let's be honest

Most of us buy too much wine
Most of us get caught up buying average wine on price errors
If we only bought what we drank at retail we would likely end up spending less
 
misohoney said:
Let's be honest

1. Most of us buy too much wine
2. Most of us get caught up buying average wine on price errors
3. If we only bought what we drank at retail we would likely end up spending less
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For me
1. Yes
2. No
3. No

There are numerous good wines available at sharp prices over many years, it's difficult to resist if you have money to spare.

I spend a lot of time looking at what's new and what's on offer at various discounts and I have a bunch of Forum members to help me.

I seldom buy a wine that I am not happy to drink and mostly I can send those back.

I maximise my budget in buying the best wine I can afford that I know I will want to drink and I make few mistakes.

I've been drinking and buying wine for well over 50 years, I've learned a lot, my tastes have changed, but not much in the last 20 years, I still make mistakes, but not many.
 
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misohoney said:
Let's be honest

Most of us buy too much wine
Most of us get caught up buying average wine on price errors
If we only bought what we drank at retail we would likely end up spending less
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I'm always willing to help out if someone has more wine than they can drink, do you need some help?
 
redbigot said:
For me
1. Yes
2. No
3. No

There are numerous good wines available at sharp prices over many years, it's difficult to resist if you have money to spare.

I spend a lot of time looking at what's new and what's on offer at various discounts and I have a bunch of Forum members to help me.

I seldom buy a wine that I am not happy to drink and mostly I can send those back.

I maximise my budget in buying the best wine I can afford that I know I will want to drink and I make few mistakes.

I've been drinking and buying wine for well over 50 years, I've learned a lot, my tastes have changed, but not much in the last 20 years, I still make mistakes, but not many.
1. Yes
2. No
3. No

There are numerous good wines available at sharp prices over many years, it's difficult to resist if you have money to spare.

I spend a lot of time looking at what's new and what's on offer at various discounts and I have a bunch of Forum members to help me.

I seldom buy a wine that I am not happy to drink and mostly I can send those back.

I maximise my budget in buying the best wine I can afford that I know I will want to drink and I make few mistakes.

I've been drinking and buying wine for well over 50 years, I've learned a lot, my tastes have changed, but not much in the last 20 years, I still make mistakes, but not man
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Oops! apologies for that. I was just going to add that the only time i've bought wine at the RRP i've regretted it. I got caught in the Sami Odi hype & I just don't like it (little wine). I could totally be a philistine for this opinion, but I just don't get it.
 
GroupHug said:
Oops! apologies for that. I was just going to add that the only time i've bought wine at the RRP i've regretted it. I got caught in the Sami Odi hype & I just don't like it (little wine). I could totally be a philistine for this opinion, but I just don't get it.
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There’s lots of wines I bought at RRP and was happy with, but not for a long time. Most of them were cellar door at the Barossa or Yarra Valley in my mid twenties that I sat on for a long time before drinking. Now I chase the bargains but really $20-30 is not cheap and probably closer to what a true RRP would be. I struggle paying 2-3x RRP at a restaurant, but with the company some of those have been the best ever.
 

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