What's the beef with Halal?

[samh004]

Skimmed the thread, my main concern was bacon and I see that pork is now completely off the menu to the UK, which I think is a shame as a full breakfast is to be expected in the UK. That said, it's never that good when it's been sat in a tin for hours waiting to be eaten anyway.

It probably wont matter too much, but just the principle that the supposed reason for the EK partnership is to continue the flights to the UK, that is, the flights to the UK (at least on QF metal) are the goal, and a dish that is pretty big in the destination will now be off the menu... seems short sighted.

However, I understand the issues, and bacon that you've waited hours to eat in economy isn't that amazing anyway

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[dk4]

Couple of possibilities:
1 is the certification process basically a religous tax.?
2. Is the mandated method of slaughter the best way?

Succinct and on point as usual.

I also agree with those arguing the "traditional cultural concept" that "Kangaroo Route" journeys, on an Australian registered aircraft, should offer some form of Full (English) Breakfast when the main service falls over a breakfast window (and that bacon is a significant cultural item, which should be expected to be included in this bekkie option).

 

[markis10]

I just looked at a variety of definitions of bacon, and without fail, they included pig, or swine, in the definition. Here is what Food Statndards Australia says of bacon:



Note the use of the word pork. Bacon, is, by definition, pork.

With the exception of turkey bacon, beef bacon that you would be familiar with

 

[simongr]

With the exception of turkey bacon, beef bacon that you would be familiar with

Turkey bacon and beef bacon are disgraceful inedible products.

My bigger issue is that alcohol can not be now used in the cooking process if the meals are halal - so no beef in red wine jus or the like...

 

[samh004]

Turkey bacon and beef bacon are disgraceful inedible products.

My bigger issue is that alcohol can not be now used in the cooking process if the meals are halal - so no beef in red wine jus or the like...

Can you not use (admittedly a poor substitute) non-alcoholic red wine?

 

[simongr]

Can you not use (admittedly a poor substitute) non-alcoholic red wine?

One does not use non-alcoholic wine in cooking - it is akin to using beef bacon as a breakfast item.

 

[docjames]

Whilst I dont really want to get into the debate here (to me personally it's a non-issue) - and I largely agree with bossreggie's post earlier, I cant help but keep thinking of this Simpsons moment whenever bacon is discussed .....


Homer Simpson's Magical Animal - YouTube

 

[file51]

As Andrew Zimmern says...

"If it look's good… Eat it…"

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[under the radar]

Just curious, will bacon still be served on these flights?

yes..turkey'bacon'...tofu'bacon'...ive seen them at woolies

 

[file51]

yes..turkey'bacon'...tofu'bacon'...ive seen them at woolies

Don't you mean Facon (Fake bacon. A vegetarian substitute for bacon, usually made from Textured Vegetable Protein (T.V.P))

 

[Simo]

Here's my take on this. I'm neither spiritual or religious. But I understand there are many people out there who are quite religious.

I think Qantas is probably doing the right thing. Why should someone devoutly Muslim have to be in a situation where their meal MAY become tainted by something Non-Halal?

Qantas can't ever win with this decision because Religion is incredibly important to many people....... BUT....... there are others who don't give a toss.

Just like I (as a non religous person) am happy to go Halal when flying via DXB..... I'd also defend someone's right to be able to display a Nativity Scene in a public place.

It's always seemed very sad to me, that religon which in whatever guise it takes, is supposed to be about love, peace tolerance, forgiveness, etc, etc...... so often, ultimately becomes something, which actually brings out intolerance in so many.

I say, pray to anyone you like.

I'm not going to care if my next steak sandwich in F is Halal.

Well said BR,

Halal food preperation is done and many people would be consuming it and none the wiser.

 

[oz_mark]

With the exception of turkey bacon, beef bacon that you would be familiar with

It may be prepared like bacon, and they may use bacon in the name, but it's not bacon.

Just like Soy Milk is not Milk
Just like Peanut Butter is not Butter

etc etc.

 

[Paddy55]

As the OP I'm very surprised at the depth of feeling out there against Qantas's decision to move to halal food preparation for QF1/2/9/10.

I was having a bit of a dig at some of the 'commentators' on the QF FB page, you know, the ones who mightn't be QF's biggest customers, might not have travelled overseas much and experienced some different cultures...and I thought AFF'ers would be more "worldly" I guess... tolerant, open, probably had halal before (especially if they've eaten many NZ meat products)... more accepting.

I'm sad, actually, about some of the vehemence against halal... and by the way I'm an Aussie Christian lover of bacon in case you were wondering.

I watched Q&A last night and was really impressed at how a Muslim, (lapsed?) Jew, Atheist, Catholic and Buddhist could actually have a constructive debate. A good debate where people looked for the things in common more than disagreements. It was an object lesson for some of the pollies who usually appear on the show!

I wish that 'spirit', including respect for each other, had carried over to this thread a little more :-|

 

[under the radar]

I think the controversy is around Qantas being an Australian airline, and the expectation that it should reflect Australian values and culture.

QANTAS is a 'COMPANY/BUSINESS' based in Australia...and LIKE ANY COMPANY/BUSINESS, it will do what it needs to do to appeal to a more/new diverse/multi cultural market.. THE TRUE VALUES/CULTURE OF AUSTRALIA COME FROM THIS LANDS FIRST INHABITANTS.. (i'm not referring to european 'settlement')

 

[whatmeworry]

I wonder if something similar has happened with a US airline going all halal? Just imagine the s@#! storm on fox news in America if it did?

Why can't we all love pigs like homer?

 

[markis10]

Did someone say Bacon?



Breakfast in Dubai.

 

[Paddy55]

Did someone say Bacon?

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Breakfast in Dubai.

ROFLOL :mrgreen:

Now, if only I could post that on FB!

Good on you , Markis10 - I hope the trip has been a ripper!

 

[RooFlyer]

Did someone say Bacon?

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Breakfast in Dubai.

Interesting (and tasty-looking).

Now, can any of the 'halal is OK' mob here tell me why QF shouldn't serve something like that on it's DXB flights (at least the ones ex Australia)?

What actual reason is there not to?

 

[bossreggie]

Interesting (and tasty-looking).

Now, can any of the 'halal is OK' mob here tell me why QF shouldn't serve something like that on it's DXB flights (at least the ones ex Australia)?

What actual reason is there not to?

Let's be totally honest. Only Qantas REALLY knows the answer. Maybe it really is just cost cutting.

However. With their decision to fly the Kangaroo route through DXB, for Qanats as a business, the decision was probably a prudent one.

There are still some amazingly greats dishes which are Halal. The reality is, most of the people flying on these flights won't know or even care.

 

[RooFlyer]

Let's be totally honest. Only Qantas REALLY knows the answer. Maybe it really is just cost cutting.

However. With their decision to fly the Kangaroo route through DXB, for Qanats as a business, the decision was probably a prudent one.

There are still some amazingly greats dishes which are Halal. The reality is, most of the people flying on these flights won't know or even care.

I know you've been kinda busy, so may not have trawled through the entire gruesome thread

For me its nothing to do with religion, but the forcing of all the PAX to go with the food preparation wishes of one segment of their customers.

Halal could be offered as an option - or even non halal could be offered as an option! The restaurant in Dubai that markis10 attended shows that 'sensitivities' or 'contamination' issues may not be all they are held up by some to be!

There are still some amazingly greats dishes which are Halal. The reality is, most of the people flying on these flights won't know or even care

Posters have noted that people probably can't tell the difference if their QF meal is halal - meaning that its not a bg deal. To which the converse is obviously "those wanting halal probably won't be able to tell if its not." So just tell 'em its halal and everyone is happy.