Why is a Self Funded Flight Different?

[MEL_Traveller]

As others have said, 'self funded' may give more weight to certain parts of the overall experince. If the company pays your ticket you may not care if the qantas Melbourne lounge is sub-standard. You may not care if the food on board is mediocre. No skin off your nose. if the company pays do you really care that simpler and fairer slashed your earn rates? Do you care if they removed chauffeur drive (because the company now pays your taxi).

It's a little like a platinum singing the virtues of economy class... bulkhead seats, shadow, business class headsets, business class PJs, business class wines, business class amenity kits, attentive service, first class lounges... and saying that 'economy class is great'. (nothing against the holder of platinum status... their experience on gaining the status is valuable... just their view of an airline's economy class may not be relevant to non-status holders).

 

[TonyHancock]

As others have said, 'self funded' may give more weight to certain parts of the overall experince. If the company pays your ticket you may not care if the qantas Melbourne lounge is sub-standard.

I care.


Artist's impression of the MEL QF F lounge

may not care if the food on board is mediocre. No skin off your nose. if the company pays do you really care that simpler and fairer slashed your earn rates? Do you care if they removed chauffeur drive (because the company now pays your taxi).

I cared so much about simpler and fairer I switched my business to BA and even managed to lower my costs.

 

[Andyzx]

For me its about value.
a SF Y ticket has about the same value as a Coy Y ticket
a SF J ticket has a lot more value (as SWMBO is a lot happier sitting next to me in J) than any Coy ticket than when SWMBO is at home but I can still feel the presence...
A SF F ticket is WOW value and has no comparison to a Coy funded ticket that I would never get.
Just my take on the self funding :arrow:

 

[browski]

Our business has two parts to it's travel policy

1. Use your best judgement
2. Spend like it is your own money

This is the lip service part.
Let's put this to the test. Your profile has you as a QF Platinum.
On your last trip to Norway, which airlines did you use?

 

[TonyHancock]

This is the lip service part.
Let's put this to the test. Your profile has you as a QF Platinum.
On your last trip to Norway, which airlines did you use?

Put what to the test?

For the record I am a VA Platinum, QF WP and BA GGL. (CCR)

The last trip to the UK was AUS$4300 in J flying BA using an Ex EU fare originating from SVG

Anything else you'd like to put to the test?

 

[juddles]

This is the lip service part.
Let's put this to the test. Your profile has you as a QF Platinum.
On your last trip to Norway, which airlines did you use?

His profile says QF Plat "TYPE" - maybe he is a closet Virgin flyer who is understandably to embarassed to admit that?

Edit: Ha! I was correct!

 

[TonyHancock]

His profile says QF Plat "TYPE" - maybe he is a closet Virgin flyer who is understandably to embarassed to admit that?

Edit: Ha! I was correct!

I haven't credited a flight to QF since January 2016. I'm coming down off P1* which ended in July 2016. Given what QF appears to be doing I don't expect another year as part of the "three year rule".

The VA status is maintained on the back of SQ Y flights to PVG and a few domestic VA flights. (More than 8 obviously!!) Although I did manage a cheap J EY fare to LHR from BKK after booking QF Y there and using points to upgrade.

The BA status is all on the back of ex EU fares and Y+ using upgrade vouchers earned along the TP collection route.


....but getting back on topic I want to know about the self funded hierarchy!!!


*I was one of those dreadful mAsa P1's

 

[docjames]

If one controls the work travel budget, and chooses 10 flights in Y versus 2 in J, what does that mean on the self funded scale? Should one be more righteous if in J or Y? Which "kind" of travel in this context is more worthy?

:mrgreen:

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I care.

I cared so much about simpler and fairer I switched my business to BA and even managed to lower my costs.

And that's great! but there must be 1000x more that don't care. Otherwise service would have improved.

 

[TonyHancock]

And that's great! but there must be 1000x more that don't care. Otherwise service would have improved.

I'm lost now, but no surprise given my attention span is that of a gnat!!

I though your statement was that self funded flyers care, but business funded flyers didn't. Let me go back and look... oh yes here it is

As others have said, 'self funded' may give more weight to certain parts of the overall experince. If the company pays your ticket you may not care if the qantas Melbourne lounge is sub-standard. You may not care if the food on board is mediocre. No skin off your nose. if the company pays do you really care that simpler and fairer slashed your earn rates? Do you care if they removed chauffeur drive (because the company now pays your taxi).

Given the number of posts from "self funded" QF flyers yesterday* and those posting in the threads that are linked to, it would suggest that the self funded flyer (SFF - we have a new abbreviation!! ) doesn't care either.

So I think you probably need to start a thread about business funded and self funded flyers having something in common - i.e. not caring about the downturn in service, although I do care.

Phew that took some explaining.

*This also serves a link to one of the places where Self Funded Flyer (SFF) was mentioned.

 

[NM]

For me its like this:

Points-Funded - means I am likely to be in business class, enjoying the service and amenities
Self-Funded - means I will be in the economy class cabin and will be on an airline where I cannot redeem points which also means I won't have any status so likely a poor experience
Company-funded - means it will be in economy class and I may or may not be on an airline where I can enjoy some status benefits
Dream-funded - means I am in first class, but end up disappointed when I awake from the dream

So its all about the experience for me.

 

[Boca68]

I'm lost now, but no surprise given my attention span is that of a gnat!!

I though your statement was that self funded flyers care, but business funded flyers didn't. Let me go back and look... oh yes here it is



Given the number of posts from "self funded" QF flyers yesterday* and those posting in the threads that are linked to, it would suggest that the self funded flyer (SFF - we have a new abbreviation!! ) doesn't care either.

So I think you probably need to start a thread about business funded and self funded flyers having something in common - i.e. not caring about the downturn in service, although I do care.

Phew that took some explaining.

*This also serves a link to one of the places where Self Funded Flyer (SFF) was mentioned.

Well...

Perhaps the problem here lies that seem to be taking issue with the SFF (see what I did there!) more than the other way around?

As I said, I think its an envy thing. But I'm curious as to why this thread http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ow-many-flights-do-you-81842.html#post1609449 has peeved you? And it is peeved by the way.

Seriously, I don't care what you do to achieve status. But cut the self righteous carp.

One too many G&T's ??

You are as much a SFF (again!) as the rest. Doesn't matter the 90/10 or 60/40 split. You can answer your own questions.

I think your tone has taken a turn for the worse. But, by all means, have a laugh. You asked a valid theoretical question, which has descended into a schoolyard game. I really don't see why you have such an issue here?




(I'm 90% SFF, by your own admission your about 40%, enough said I think)

 

[TonyHancock]

Well...

Perhaps the problem here lies that seem to be taking issue with the SFF (see what I did there!) more than the other way around?

As I said, I think its an envy thing. But I'm curious as to why this thread http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ow-many-flights-do-you-81842.html#post1609449 has peeved you? And it is peeved by the way.

Seriously, I don't care what you do to achieve status. But cut the self righteous carp.

One too many G&T's ??

You are as much a SFF (again!) as the rest. Doesn't matter the 90/10 or 60/40 split. You can answer your own questions.

I think your tone has taken a turn for the worse. But, by all means, have a laugh. You asked a valid theoretical question, which has descended into a schoolyard game. I really don't see why you have such an issue here?




(I'm 90% SFF, by your own admission your about 40%, enough said I think)

Oh dear I seem to have offended you.

It remains a genuine question. I am trying to understand why it is so important to state whether one is a Self Funded flyer. I don't see the need personally but would like to know why others do.

I think the question is much deeper than I think though (I'm baking dish shallow) and is related more to people's enjoyment of flying rather than seeing it as just a form of transport. Sam's post brought that home.

Please can you direct me to the self righteous "carp" and I will remove it. I am quite terrible when it comes to forums. I post so much rubbish. I blame Griselda.

I do have to correct you on your mathematics though, actually it is not your mathematics it is your comprehension. I'm afraid I will have to mark you down to an E for this.

If we take the number of flights completed last year 138 and deduct the number of self funded flights (9) then divide the number of self funded flights by the total number it would give 6.52% Of course there are other methods including looking at dollar value or looking at miles flown but in the latter two this would reduce the percentage further.

If the moderators wish to close the thread or advise me to stop posting I will of course do so..but you, sir or madam, do not have the right to call time. Particularly on a wet and miserable Melbourne day!.

 

[TonyHancock]

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Now you have my interest - tell me how? The best I have done is $3800 so would love to get lower. I have also done EY, UL, MH. Oh and JQ part way.

What is a night club? (Edit - don't worry I just got Griselda to googlise it - sounds an awful sort of place.)

 

[TonyHancock]

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errrr yes, you have just advised me I can save my company beyond that for $4300. I would like to know how to get to the UK cheaper than this in J on a paid fare. (I don't count to the $3800 fares I get because I use upgrade vouchers on Y+)

...and as an aside the points are used to secure me two extra J business trips a year at about $1,300 each in taxes. The BA Jokers guarantee the rewards seats when I want them. These sort out the short notice trips nicely for me.

 

[Boca68]

Oh dear I seem to have offended you.

It remains a genuine question. I am trying to understand why it is so important to state whether one is a Self Funded flyer. I don't see the need personally but would like to know why others do.

I think the question is much deeper than I think though (I'm baking dish shallow) and is related more to people's enjoyment of flying rather than seeing it as just a form of transport. Sam's post brought that home.

Please can you direct me to the self righteous "carp" and I will remove it. I am quite terrible when it comes to forums. I post so much rubbish. I blame Griselda.

I do have to correct you on your mathematics though, actually it is not your mathematics it is your comprehension. I'm afraid I will have to mark you down to an E for this.

If we take the number of flights completed last year 138 and deduct the number of self funded flights (9) then divide the number of self funded flights by the total number it would give 6.52% Of course there are other methods including looking at dollar value or looking at miles flown but in the latter two this would reduce the percentage further.

If the moderators wish to close the thread or advise me to stop posting I will of course do so..but you, sir or madam, do not have the right to call time. Particularly on a wet and miserable Melbourne day!.

I admit my error in misreading your earlier post. I shall accept the consequences. Meh!

Seriously, this is what I mean. You ask a perfectly valid question. Great, but you belittle everyone who answers like your still in high school. Come on! And yes that offends me since you asked. If you want to have a discussion, go for it. But be mature about it.

And Sams post is it for me, I should have quoted it. But SFF (Oh again! you should trademark that) or CSC (Corporate Status Chaser, my own work, thank you) doesn't matter really. I love flying, front of the plane or back. (ok, back is pushing it ) or even piloting it. In my humble opinion, most CSC don't give a second thought to the joy of flying.

That's the difference.

 

[TonyHancock]

I admit my error in misreading your earlier post. I shall accept the consequences. Meh!

Seriously, this is what I mean. You ask a perfectly valid question. Great, but you belittle everyone who answers like your still in high school. Come on! And yes that offends me since you asked. If you want to have a discussion, go for it. But be mature about it.

And Sams post is it for me, I should have quoted it. But SFF (Oh again! you should trademark that) or CSC (Corporate Status Chaser, my own work, thank you) doesn't matter really. I love flying, front of the plane or back. (ok, back is pushing it ) or even piloting it. In my humble opinion, most CSC don't give a second thought to the joy of flying.

Thar's the difference.

No intent to belittle and yes it was a deliberate attempt to come across as a schoolteacher, think a poor man's John Cleese in The Meaning of Life, but surely the gives it away? There are no consequences to accept I don't care, but I certainly don't want to offend you.

As for being mature...well..... just ask Griselda!! She has to put up with me day in day out.

This thread is part in jest part in interest of the whole SFF thing.

I just don't care how people pay for their flights, obviously many here do, but I suspect my disinterest is because flying is just transport for me and achieving status is a means of reducing cost and gaming a system.

It just struck me as odd seeing folks using the Self funded phrase as if that was important. I now realise it is important to some people, I still don't really understand but I am closer than I was!!!!

 

[Boca68]

No intent to belittle and yes it was a deliberate attempt to come across as a schoolteacher, think a poor man's John Cleese in The Meaning of Life, but surely the gives it away? There are no consequences to accept I don't care, but I certainly don't want to offend you.

As for being mature...well..... just ask Griselda!! She has to put up with me day in day out.

This thread is part in jest part in interest of the whole SFF thing.

I just don't care how people pay for their flights, obviously many here do, but I suspect my disinterest is because flying is just transport for me and achieving status is a means of reducing cost and gaming a system.

It just struck me as odd seeing folks using the Self funded phrase as if that was important. I now realise it is important to some people, I still don't really understand but I am closer than I was!!!!

You have answered your own question, right there.

And the term self funded flyer (SFF) is not important, but it is a badge of honour, so to speak, to some. You can choose to 'game' the system or you can choose to enjoy the flight. Sad, but true.

I'd rather enjoy the flight and be thinking about dinner at Maido in Lima tomorrow night. Or Kokorec in Istanbul next week. Its all about what you intend to achieve with your 'status'

Thanks Tony.

 

[straitman]

Pfffft well obviously I am superior,

I disagree :!:

 

[TonyHancock]

I disagree :!:

Shall I book the appointment at the Clinic or will you?