Why is a Self Funded Flight Different?

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Now you have my interest - tell me how? The best I have done is $3800 so would love to get lower. I have also done EY, UL, MH. Oh and JQ part way.

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In the context of the discussion and considering that this is a frequent flyer forum where sharing information is the norm then it is a valid question IMHO.
 
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I've mastered all three!

WFF - certainly covered the majority of LTG :D

SFF - no joy flying by yourself :( ;) :D

FFF - flying the family around the world is just the best :mrgreen:
 
Microsoft called, there are too many elements of the statement 'self funded' for an excel spreadsheet to capture. AFF thread cannot compute.
 
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I do get that the humour is difficult to get for some people. I do about half of my work as an interpreter/translator/subtitler, and there are certainly times when "translating" between 1960s England and here can be tricky, even with ostensibly similar languages. And no, a couple of emoji don't solve the problem.
 
Someone must be bored again.

Not quite the same when someone hands you say a $70,000-$100,000 flying budget/year and says to you use it or lose it so you frantically book flights to what ever conferences suit you and turn them into holidays.

Or you can pay for flights out of your own pocket. It doesn't make a person superior as a self funded traveller but you certainly appreciate the value of flying a little more. Trying to book flights back to SYD for wife and daughter on Easter weekend and the cost is around $400 return. Ouch. I can just about make one of the flights an award flight but still well over $200 with the taxes and the other flight.

My head hurts trying to plan award flights to/from Thailand in July to bring back my wife and daughter.
 
What really irritates me is the attitude held by some that they expect their employer to pay for them to travel in Business class on a first tier airline, but would never think of paying for it themselves. Or those who say they will only stay at 5 star hotels if the company pays for it.

My attitude is that I expect my company to treat me no better or worse than I treat myself.
I'm the opposite. I expect my employer to treat me much worse than I treat myself, and they never disappoint! All of my work travel is in Y and the majority of my leisure travel is in J or F which is funded by a variety of bank's via credit card sign-on bonuses. I'm probably one of the few people that loves banks :). If I pay cash it's almost always in Y.

Is it self funded if I own a SME and travel for work?... or 5% work 95% leisure and still paid by the business for tax purposes.
That's outrageous and probably/hopefully illegal.
 
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Well TH my reply which from here will be as you requested in words of 4 letters or less

Tony does not know the mind of a self paid Aus chav who will take a self paid trip to look down on a toff we know as Tony.:p:p:shock::shock::lol::lol:;):lol:
 
Well TH my reply which from here will be as you requested in words of 4 letters or less

Tony does not know the mind of a self paid Aus chav who will take a self paid trip to look down on a toff we know as Tony.:p:p:shock::shock::lol::lol:;):lol:

You know me too well. :lol: :lol:
 
That's outrageous and probably/hopefully illegal.

How is that different to what was quoted by others with a corporate travel budget? (see below) ie. If I want to go to LAX/LAS for example, I just go when there is a conference on related to my business or visit a supplier/partner. The conference might only be 2 days but how does the price of an air ticket change if I decide to piggyback a weekend or come back a week later? Same goes to many parts of Asia and China. I do this by having long layovers or again, piggybacking on a weekend.

Of course if I travel with family/friends purely for holiday it is really self funded. If I travel alone, I normally either layover in a town I want to visit or find a business reason to visit that city and spend the weekend there. A business reason can simply be market research, visiting a business supplier/customer/partner or attending a conference and many other reasons.

Not quite the same when someone hands you say a $70,000-$100,000 flying budget/year and says to you use it or lose it so you frantically book flights to what ever conferences suit you and turn them into holidays.
 
A few well aimed prods sure stirred the hornets nest.

Didn't even need to conjecture they are self funded retirees which really would have made it interesting. :)
 
Given the level of interest, as promised, I have created the ultimate Self or Business Funded Quiz. Please read the warning though it is for your own good!!! :p


...and I should say thanks to the posters in this thread that helped make the quiz possible. I have to get the ideas from somewhere!!!!!
 
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I'll bite :)

1) For most people, self-funded travel is post-tax dollars whereas business expenses are pre-tax. Fundamentally meaning in many cases the self-funded flight has an effective cost which is 30%++ greater than one on the company dime.

2) Most people would spend more time researching leisure flights as they most likely would not be flying to the same destination which they would for work purposes. This requires more time & emotional investment in the planning process, and the more invested we are, the more we expect. There is research on airlines showing most people apply for upgrades on Friday afternoon/evening flights. Work is over and they want to relax and be pampered a little. It's their treat for a tough week in the office! This is their 'leisure' part of the work trip and expectations increase as they want to feel like all the hard work in flying is paid back in kind. I would be interested to know what time of day departures has the most complaints from a CS perspective.
 
2) Most people would spend more time researching leisure flights as they most likely would not be flying to the same destination which they would for work purposes. This requires more time & emotional investment in the planning process, and the more invested we are, the more we expect.

Are AFFers most people :confused:
 
1) For most people, self-funded travel is post-tax dollars whereas business expenses are pre-tax. Fundamentally meaning in many cases the self-funded flight has an effective cost which is 30%++ greater than one on the company dime.

Attempt at a serious bit

I'm not sure I understand your argument 100% there. When I do take travel for leisure I just see it a a 100% my cost. When I book leisure travel I am likely to spend a little more and stay at better hotels etc....but I guess that might just be me.

What hasn't come out in this thread and it was something I was rather clumsily approaching with my questions about hierarchy, and I got my scoring off a bit in a rush to put out the quiz yesterday, is the sheer breadth of frequent flyer type.

I think within self funded there are multiple categories of which I suspect the majority on AFF fall in to the "Quite savvy, research the best deals and fly in the best comfort they can at the lowest cost." If a person in this category sniffs out a fabulous deal to get somewhere in F then, you would hope, even a misanthrope would doff their cap and say "bloody good effort" and would be able to see why there is a badge of honour associated with the "self funded battler".

At the other end of the scale what about the multi millionaire retired, let's say politician, who books the same flight in F for 5 times the price. He/She is still self funded and I suspect our friend the misanthrope would not have quite so much respect for his "self funded badge of honour".

It is the same in business there are plenty of poor peeps out there flying 100+ flights a year in Y, and quite probably at some stage sitting on the same plane as the corporate exec whose corporate TA booked him into a seat that our self funded battler would have got for half the cost. In the middle somewhere is the business person trying to find the best deal and treating the money spent as his own.

Many years ago, thanks to this site, I found the QF mASA and my life changed completely. My flights to Europe, for business, were in Y+ previously, I found that by using mASA's for my long haul business travel, with one or maybe two paid J flights, and collecting points on both business and personal credit spend I could fly in J and sometimes even in F for the same price as Y+ over the year. Status was important though, but not for the reasons some might think. It generated even more points to go back into mASA's. In my mind the death of the mASA was inevitable it was the gift that just kept giving.

The death of the mASA was hard to take and required a brand new strategy. In my first year, post mASA, I took Y flights into Asia with QF and used points to upgrade, then found cheap J fares from SIN and BKK to Europe. Through FT I hit on the BA Ex EU fares. In themselves they almost got me back to the spend I had when using mASA's combined with one or two J fares. The bit that tips it over the line is status again*. More points earned, jokers and GUF1's, all combine to ensure I can do three or four J trips to Europe for about $2500 each on top of the ex EU fares themselves. It made the 11 trips to Europe last year quite reasonable.

As this rambles way off topic I guess my comment is that there is no such thing as a "standard" frequent flyer self funded or othwerise, and equally there is no single means to achieve your frequent flying goals.

*I should add that to gain the BA status I needed to make my travel sustainable I took a status run requiring me to use ITA Matrix to plan it. I finished up completing a "self funded" MEL-SIN-CMB-LHR-DUB-LCY-SNN-JFK-PHX-HNL-PHX-JFK-LCY-DUB-LHR-CMB-SIN-MEL....Never again!!!


End of serious bit

Of course I am probably completely wrong. :p
 
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I'm not sure I understand your argument 100% there. When I do take travel for leisure I just see it a a 100% my cost. When I book leisure travel I am likely to spend a little more and stay at better hotels etc....but I guess that might just be me.

If a business pays for a flight, the cost comes out of operating cash which has not yet been taxed*
For personal leisure travel, you've already paid tax on the income*

So while the net result for the airline is the same $$, it's actually more expensive for non-business travellers*

*In most cases
 
If a business pays for a flight, the cost comes out of operating cash which has not yet been taxed*
For personal leisure travel, you've already paid tax on the income*

So while the net result for the airline is the same $$, it's actually more expensive for non-business travellers*

*In most cases


I understand what you have done, I just can't see any self funded flyer thinking that way?
 
I understand what you have done, I just can't see any self funded flyer thinking that way?
Not sure why, it's hardly a secret that those who can get a tax deduction for their travel have a bit of an advantage over those who don't. I think most self funded flyers are very aware of that.
 
Not sure why, it's hardly a secret that those who can get a tax deduction for their travel have a bit of an advantage over those who don't. I think most self funded flyers are very aware of that.

You might be right, I just don't see it myself. Do self funded travelers look at the GST aspect on domestic flights too?
 
The difference is you have status over Joe blow FF points tickets...... I'm suspecting crew would year differently?
 
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You might be right, I just don't see it myself. Do self funded travelers look at the GST aspect on domestic flights too?

However... if you want a real fun conversation, we could discuss how leisure travel staff are often treated better than the highest status pax ;)
 
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