Why is a Self Funded Flight Different?

[ausfox]

Keep it nice gentlefolk. I have rarely had the pleasure of business travel so I am envious of those whose flying is paid for by others.
Some people think the opposite. It really doesn't matter a lot. I pay to fly commercially and privately and that is my sin and entirely up to me.
No inference or intent in my travel, just enjoyment whilst I can.
Maybe in the next life I will choose a different set of careers which may have someone pay but then again I may have no interest in travel or aviating. Horrors.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm lost now, but no surprise given my attention span is that of a gnat!!

I though your statement was that self funded flyers care, but business funded flyers didn't. Let me go back and look... oh yes here it is

i was saying it's great that you care, as a business funded flyer. But I suspect you might be in the minority. If more business funded flyers 'cared' qantas would have been forced to pull their socks up. But simpler and fairer, removal of chauffeur drive, poor frequencies, poor catering... and yet business funded flyers still continue to fly.

 

[TonyHancock]

i was saying it's great that you care, as a business funded flyer. But I suspect you might be in the minority. If more business funded flyers 'cared' qantas would have been forced to pull their socks up. But simpler and fairer, removal of chauffeur drive, poor frequencies, poor catering... and yet business funded flyers still continue to fly.

...but in fairness that really doesn't have anything to do with why peeps feel the need to advise everyone that they are self funded flyers (SFF)...as true as it might be, and as someone who despises the Fred Perry supper menu I agree.

 

[Boca68]

...but in fairness that really doesn't have anything to do with why peeps feel the need to advise everyone that they are self funded flyers (SFF)...as true as it might be, and as someone who despises the Fred Perry supper menu I agree.

And in only fairness again, why should we be reminded that you didn't like the menu at the Concorde Room last week because it wasn't gluten free?

And why do you think that people saying they are self funded is directed at you? Are you that narcissistic?

Seriously, get over it! Enjoy your perks, I'll enjoy mine, never the twain shall meet,..... I hope!

 

[TonyHancock]

And in only fairness again, why should we be reminded that you didn't like the menu at the Concorde Room last week because it wasn't gluten free?

And why do you think that people saying they are self funded is directed at you? Are you that narcissistic?

Seriously, get over it! Enjoy your perks, I'll enjoy mine, never the twain shall meet,..... I hope!

and in fairness yet again, I do love a bit of fairness, where in this thread is there any reference to the Concorde room menu? If you don't like the utter tosh that are my trip ramblings don't read them.

As I stated before if the mods want to close this down all well and good, but I am interested in viewpoints pertinent to the thread, particularly if they are humerous.

 

[Boca68]

and in fairness yet again, I do love a bit of fairness, where in this thread is there any reference to the Concorde room menu? If you don't like the utter tosh that are my trip ramblings don't read them. ��

As I stated before if the mods want to close this down all well and good, but I am interested in viewpoints pertinent to the thread, particularly if they are humerous.

Trip ramblings?

I meant your allegiance, as previously stated to BA. Am I missing something here?

Edit: now I see, I could I ever have missed it?? Now I get the act...my apologies, I actually thought you were a 'concerned' traveller. I pre-judged

 

[JohnPhelan]

What really irritates me is the attitude held by some that they expect their employer to pay for them to travel in Business class on a first tier airline, but would never think of paying for it themselves. Or those who say they will only stay at 5 star hotels if the company pays for it.

My attitude is that I expect my company to treat me no better or worse than I treat myself.

If I think a hotel rate is more than I would be prepared to pay myself, then I won't book it just because the company is paying for it. If it's overpriced and not good value, it remains so, irrespective of how it's being funded.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Please can you direct me to the self righteous "carp" and I will remove it.

I hate it when fish become self-righteous ........

 

[TonyHancock]

I hate it when fish become self-righteous ........

it has always been Pike in the past, now I have an issue with Carp.

 

[JohnM]

I use the SF purely in the context that I am retired and therefore no longer fly on the work dime - with implication that one needs to work harder/smarter at the game to maintain high status. I must confess that's broadly how I thought most would take it.

 

[TonyHancock]

I use the SF purely in the context that I am retired and therefore no longer fly on the work dime - with implication that one needs to work harder/smarter at the game to maintain high status. I must confess that's broadly how I thought most would take it.

..and that makes sense to me.

 

[andyhui01]

Is it self funded if I own a SME and travel for work?... or 5% work 95% leisure and still paid by the business for tax purposes.

 

[tmdellit]

So I'm assuming (i know, you should never assume), that apart from having a sly dig, you've sought to find out why the majority of self-funded flyers (generalising here) feel that they need to tell everyone that it's how they've achieved status? Kind of like a Vegan who needs to tell everyone that will listen that they're Vegan ? As a result it appears to you, that by doing it this way, they're proposing it's superior to doing it on the company dime?

Summarising the responses, it seems whilst there no actual difference in the physical aspects of the flight, there is an emotional aspect of achieving this goal. In a way that there is a belief that the experience of the flight (or possibly the excitement of the destination) is different than that of someone who is just getting from point A to point B with work at the end of it.

I don't believe there will be a conclusive answer to your question Tony. There will those who believe that by having paid for their status with their own hard earned dime, is far superior than the company dime. Then there will be those who have paid for their status through time away from their families/missed celebrations/etc. who may feel that this is a far superior price to pay to achieve the said status. Then finally, there will be those that really don't care either way. Good luck in finding the answer you're looking for.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Is it self funded if I own a SME and travel for work?... or 5% work 95% leisure and still paid by the business for tax purposes.

Only way to fly isn't it?

 

[TonyHancock]

So I'm assuming (i know, you should never assume), that apart from having a sly dig, you've sought to find out why the majority of self-funded flyers (generalising here) feel that they need to tell everyone that it's how they've achieved status? Kind of like a Vegan who needs to tell everyone that will listen that they're Vegan ? As a result it appears to you, that by doing it this way, they're proposing it's superior to doing it on the company dime?

Summarising the responses, it seems whilst there no actual difference in the physical aspects of the flight, there is an emotional aspect of achieving this goal. In a way that there is a belief that the experience of the flight (or possibly the excitement of the destination) is different than that of someone who is just getting from point A to point B with work at the end of it.

I don't believe there will be a conclusive answer to your question Tony. There will those who believe that by having paid for their status with their own hard earned dime, is far superior than the company dime. Then there will be those who have paid for their status through time away from their families/missed celebrations/etc. who may feel that this is a far superior price to pay to achieve the said status. Then finally, there will be those that really don't care either way. Good luck in finding the answer you're looking for.

I think that sums it up to perfection.

In the process I have learned that the subject causes plenty of angst and that not everyone likes 1970's schoolyard humour. (...and rightly so!!)

I have also learned that paying AUD$4300 for a return J flight to Europe is ripping my company off something rotten so I need to investigate that further.

 

[vertisol]

I dream of being a SFF as then I'd have some say in where I go!

My 112 flights/ sectors last year were almost exclusivly CBR-MEL-CBR with the odd SYD and BNE as well.

The frequency makes it like catching a bus to work.

When I do fly on my own money it's with family which takes the airport experience to a whole other place and normally leaves me flustered in a way I never get on my own.

 

[straitman]

Shall I book the appointment at the Clinic or will you?

Maybe we go together.

Do we need to fly somewhere for the appointment and if so who is paying :?:

 

[TonyHancock]

Maybe we go together.

Do we need to fly somewhere for the appointment and if so who is paying :?:

For you sir I will happily pay!! Bora Bora sound alright?

 

[straitman]

For you sir I will happily pay!! Bora Bora sound alright?

My schedule is rather tight with self funded flights and cruises but I can probably fit you in in October or November.

Confirm the date and I'll be there.

 

[boomy]

I'm trying to get my head around the whole "self funded" flight scenario that appears to be so important to many on AFF. :?:

To me a flight is a flight however it is paid for, yet there is a consistent undercurrent here that those who are "self funded" are in some way superior to those who aren't. It really is quite baffling.

Must say I missed any previous discussion on other threads about self funded being superior. I assume they refer to work travel as "cheap" way to gain status by not paying for it from own pocket, therefore self funded should be appreciated more.

As someone who does over 200 flights per year, most work related, I must say that being on the road so often, away from family, has to be one of the worst possible ways to gain "cheap" status. Most work related trips are not fun but exactly the opposite. If anything this is the hard way to WP or P1.
Personally I'd much rather getting payed the same, travel less for work, do more self funded trips and if not enough flying to maintain status then do one of those fun status runs on my own expense via Cairo or Colombo or whatever is the hotspot these days.