Why JetStar

[amaroo]

Have flown JQ to HTI from BNE. As far as I am concerned, that was no different to all the EasyJet flights I have taken around Europe.

Have now flown JQ J to NRT from OOL. Again it was fine and good value. The tickets were less than Y+ on QF21/22 and I got double the SCs. Was not happy to arrive at NRT for the return flight to find it had been cancelled, but we were flown to KIX and put on the KIX-OOL flight instead, so it all worked out in the end, but we did miss out on lounge time in NRT.

Why isn't JQ an affiliate member of 1W? DragonAir are as are a whole load of other LCC subsidiaries of the big airlines.

As Tom has indicated KA is not a LCC. The J product is pretty decent for a short haul product.

Better comparison would be VY (Veuling) which like J* has nothing to do with OW Vueling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IAG takeover (2012/2013)[edit]

In November 2012, International Airlines Group, whose subsidiary Iberia held a 45.85% stake in Vueling, offered to buy the remaining 54.15% of the company with both Iberia and IAG owning both shares and not resulting in the company being wholly owned by IAG through 100% of shares. IAG, also the owner of British Airways, plans to use Vueling to help stem losses at Iberia. However, market trends (increased profits and improved figures from Vueling resulting in a higher share-price) had made IAG's offer a significant undervaluation of the airline. Vueling had urged its shareholders to reject IAG's offer and its shareholders had until the 8th of April 2013 to decide upon the recommendation.[SUP][3][/SUP]
On 27 March 2013, IAG improved its offer for Vueling, raising its offer per share from €7 to €9.25. Vueling shares quickly surged after the announcement by 8.8% to €9.23 following a temporary suspension as BMAD waited on an official comment from Vueling regarding the updated offer. The acceptance period was also increased by 48 calendar days.[SUP][30][/SUP]
On 9 April 2013, the board of Vueling unanimously recommended shareholders accept an improved offer of €9.25 per share from IAG. IAG CEO Willie Walsh confirmed that the board had recommended the new offer; however, Walsh also stated that Vueling would not be merged with Iberia, saying, "Vueling will operate as a stand-alone entity in IAG group."[SUP][31][/SUP]
On 23 April 2013, IAG acquired control of Vueling which saw the recently purchased 44.66% stake by IAG merged with Iberia's existing 45.85% stake to form a 90.51% shareholding. Vueling will remain a standalone company now within the IAG and its management structure will remain unchanged; however, Vueling's CEO Alex Cruz will now report directly to IAG CEO Willie Walsh.[SUP][32][/SUP]

 

[Himeno]

I don't think there really are many LCC subsidiaries that are oneworld affiliates. Dragonair is a regional arm of CX, not a LCC.

Of any airlines owned (in part or in full) by a oneworld member, are there any that aren't an affiliate other then Jetstar?

 

[TomVexille]

Of any airlines owned (in part or in full) by a oneworld member, are there any that aren't an affiliate other then Jetstar?

As amaroo posted above, Vueling is the first one that comes to mind, but here's a few more. Flybe, Royal Air Maroc, Air Mauritius, and Firefly.

All those are partly or fully owned by oneworld airlines but are not affiliate members.

 

[Himeno]

As amaroo posted above, Vueling is the first one that comes to mind, but here's a few more. Flybe, Royal Air Maroc, Air Mauritius, and Firefly.

All those are partly or fully owned by oneworld airlines but are not affiliate members.

Of those only Firefly has any oneworld member (MH) holding shares. Flybe is a low-cost regional airline and is not owned by any oneworld member. Flybe and Finnair jointly own Flybe Nordic, which is a oneworld affiliate (sort of - flights operated by Flybe Nordic under contract for AY are oneworld flights).
Royal Air Maroc and Air Mauritius have been suggested as possible future oneworld members.

So just 3. Vueling (IB), Jetstar (QF) and Firefly (MH).

 

[TomVexille]

Of those only Firefly has any oneworld member (MH) holding shares. Flybe is a low-cost regional airline and is not owned by any oneworld member. Flybe and Finnair jointly own Flybe Nordic, which is a oneworld affiliate (sort of - flights operated by Flybe Nordic under contract for AY are oneworld flights).
Royal Air Maroc and Air Mauritius have been suggested as possible future oneworld members.

So just 3. Vueling (IB), Jetstar (QF) and Firefly (MH).

IAG (parent company of BA, IB and VY) have a minority shareholding in Flybe, Royal Air Maroc and Air Mauritius.

 

[Musongman]

I hate JetStarve because......I can't get a direct service to Osaka! JQ is a one or two stop option either way. Also it is not that much cheaper and sometimes more expensive than a full service airline. I tried it twice in "StarClass", when I was on a friend's staff concession, and it was cough. There were only a couple of us up front, and we were on our own most of the time while the F/A's hid out in the aft galley. Now I usually use JL : SYD /NRT/ITM and return, suits me but is expensive. I am about to go to Osaka on 24Mar with AisAsiaX via KUL for less than half the cost of JL.

 

[Venus]

I recently flew Jetstar for the first time one way from Hobart to Melbourne and found it cost $1 less than Qantas on return trip and I think I missed out on the FF points. I also had to buy food so it turned out more expensive but I think there was more leg room in Jetstar. A lot of airlines seem to have a cheaper option sibling or partner now.

 

[Chuck Solid]

I agree - some people have short memories - do you remember the prices on QF before the LCC started. Its all about choice - and good luck to those who can afford to fly more often because we have such choices.

I found some old boarding passes recently. My wife and I flew to Sydney in 1987 (on "standby", if anyone out there is old enough to remember it) The cost...$97.00 each, one way ! I can go to Tassie and back with LCC's nowadays for that kind of money. You would have to be arrogant or a complete fool to argue that this is a bad thing. On recent economy flights to and from Perth with QF, if you closed your eyes, you could have been on any of the LCCs. There was no difference between QF, JQ and Tiger. (if anything, Tigers' staff are more attentive).
And to those "conspiracy theorists" out there; accept the fact that if Qantas doesn't trim its costs, it will cease to exist. (and yes, the "tree" needs pruning at the top as well as the bottom)
Chuck Solid,
Melbourne

 

[roego]

I do not care why they did it.Theyare making a mess of Qantas this gives them another go.I have flown Jetstar only once from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur.The seats wee packed so close together to me it was a safety hazard. A good recipe for injury in the advent of any problems.In February just gone I was talking to an American couple who had just flown arounf Asia and there worst flight was with Jetstar.

 

[davidhand]

I think the main problem Qantas has with Jetstar is that the booking system is a super slick joint website where your money is efficiently extracted from you with seamless efficiency but thereafter both airlines vehemently argue they are separate. My secretary booked me to fly from Sydney to Mackay last year and didn't realise that the BNE-MKY sector was on Jetstar. I discovered this when I checked in in Sydney and was told to clear security in BNE, collect my luggage and check in all over again with Jetstar. When I checked in at Jetstar, there was an earlier flight to Mackay that I couldn't get on because my Jetstar ticket didn't allow it.

Now I don't care that Jetstar wants its own market as a discount airline. But they should not be allowed to freeload on the Qantas booking system

 

[pearler47]

I flew "business" from BKK (Bangkok) to MEL a while ago. Seat room O.K. Entertainment was a tablet with shows loaded on it. Food, just so-so. Crew tried hard. No lounge access. Was about $1300 one way as I recall. I'd have been happier in Premium Economy with one of the full service mobs, I think. Still if you are flying from MEL, you don't get too many choices with SQANTAS.

 

[djd]

As with most things you get what you pay for. What's the problem with that?

 

[JohnK]

Now I don't care that Jetstar wants its own market as a discount airline. But they should not be allowed to freeload on the Qantas booking system

I am trying to book BNE-BKK in September on Qantas.

- The return option costs $780 and has 10 flights showing for each leg which are not really suitable. For both outbound and inbound legs 5 of the options involve a Jetstar flight and the later Emirates flight is too expensive
- Doing a multi trip with the exact flights I want costs $788 but I can take Jestar out of the equation and also choose later Emirates flight. Downside is I cannot use gift voucher with multi trip booking

Why is the Qantas website cluttered with Jetstar flights? Very disappointing.

 

[ctrunfree]

We earn points on QANTAS - but try to fly on points to Thailand and the only option available is Jetstar - doesn't seem right.

 

[lastrow]

I amazed at the denigration of Jetstar as a modern low cost carrier. The world is now full of LCA's many offering a lower level of service than JQ, and Ryan Air has even designed a stand up arrangement where pax will be strapped into a sort of upright dentists chair with arm rests.

Obviously there those who still cling to the days when air travel was for the well to do, when gentlemen dressed in a suit and when ladies always wore gloves and a hat.

'Going by air' was for the well off and 'going by train' was for everyone else.

Then along came Jetstar, and suddenly air fares were as cheap as rail tickets and getting to a holiday destination would turn a long days travel into an hour or with extra leisure time then available.

No frills, no luxury, no dressing up, just fast cheap transport. Would you expect a coffee and muffin on the 8.35 am to Central?

There is no doubt that Jetstar is the Jewel in Qantas's rather tarnished crown.

JQ has a cost structure which allows it to make money, whereas Qantas (at least domestically) is now an expensive anachronism.

As I see it, Qantas would be better served by withdrawing from its domestic services in favour of an enlarged Jetstar, and then to concentrate on providing a premium overseas flying experience for those prepared to pay a premium (and profitable) price.

 

[boomy]

We earn points on QANTAS - but try to fly on points to Thailand and the only option available is Jetstar - doesn't seem right.

You can fly Qantas to Thailand, just need to go via SYD. Same goes for flights to Japan or South Africa.

 

[JohnK]

As I see it, Qantas would be better served by withdrawing from its domestic services in favour of an enlarged Jetstar, and then to concentrate on providing a premium overseas flying experience for those prepared to pay a premium (and profitable) price.

So what happens to those who don't want "no frills cheap public transport"? Virgin?

 

[boomy]

JQ has a cost structure which allows it to make money, whereas Qantas (at least domestically) is now an expensive anachronism. [/FONT][/COLOR]

As I see it, Qantas would be better served by withdrawing from its domestic services in favour of an enlarged Jetstar, and then to concentrate on providing a premium overseas flying experience for those prepared to pay a premium (and profitable) price.

Qantas domestic is very profitable, it's the international arm where they are loosing money.

 

[nesbitt55ee]

I have no problem flying with Jetstar as a budget airline. What angers me is the need to re-check luggage on a connecting flight, adding time by collecting, re-checking, security, etc. When travelling from Gainesville (regional Florida) to Cairns via Miami, Los Angeles and Brisbane, I didn't have to collect luggage until Brisbane because AA has a baggage agreement with Qantas. This allowed a regional airport to check my luggage right through, saving the need to go through security again and again. If AA can do it internationally, why can't Jetstar do it domestically to make for a more easy and efficient connection?

 

[Buzzard]

Given that Jetstarve codeshare with QF eg JQ479 QF 5479 is there any way you can book the flight as a QF flight?