WikiLeaks

[medhead]

Two things.

1) The statement was not about it being dangerous, so that's a bit of a straw man.

2) Regarding "giving it air to breathe", it is part of the news and people would complain about it being a conspiracy if CNN didn't talk about wikileaks. CNN and others are not publishing individual pieces just because they can though.

1) being dangerous to operational security and the interests of the US is the basis of the allegations of the documents being illegally released. It is directly related.
2) if CNN et al came out and said straight up that they are not going to publish anything about the content of the leaked documents because it "threatens the lives of brave US soldiers" then there is no opening to claim a conspiracy. Instead they are publishing these alleged illegal documents, the release, by an alleged terror organisation, of which is allegedly treason; why? in order to get ratings and make money? Claims of illegality and treason are hard to accept when plenty of the media outlets making these claims are then publishing the information themselves.

I haven't followed the story today closely enough to make any valid comments about the other stuff you mentioned and I'm probably willing to accept that on face value.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Heads up ladies and gentlemen...

Little bit left field with this one, but...
...There have been a few articles on the web now that Wikileaks has been given these "leaked documents" on purpose so that the new "US iPatriot Laws" could be given a green light.

Makes me think of the internet "kill switches" that several governments have put in place recently. Scary thought.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Ah, good, conspiracy theories, it was only a matter of time.

What they're desperately trying to keep secret is who really killed JFK

cheers skip

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Ah, good, conspiracy theories, it was only a matter of time.

What they're desperately trying to keep secret is who really killed JFK

cheers skip

To an extent. Then again, l guess some people find it hard to think outside of the box and try to put a puzzle together.

 

[odysseus]

Ah, good, conspiracy theories, it was only a matter of time.

Very true - you can see the attraction for the CT lobby!

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Part in bold below l am absolutely ashamed of. He hasn't committed genocide or is a war criminal. What a joke of a legal system we live in. The USA puts pressure on the Swedes and they come up with a "not using condom during sex" charge. To make it even more a of circus, one of the females is also on the CIA's books. This is a sitcom in real life.

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange bailed but release delayed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11989216

The founder of whistle-blowing website Wikileaks, Julian Assange, has been granted bail in London on conditions including cash guarantees of £240,000.
But he will remain in prison pending an appeal against the bail decision, which has been lodged by Swedish prosecutors.
His lawyer Mark Stephens said the case was turning into a "show trial".
Mr Assange is fighting extradition to Sweden, accused of sexually assaulting two women. He denies the charges, and says they are politically motivated.
A large crowd including demonstrators, reporters and a number of Mr Assange's high-profile supporters gathered outside City of Westminster Magistrates' Court for the bail hearing on Tuesday.
He was granted bail on condition he provides a security of £200,000 to the court, with a further £40,000 guaranteed in two sureties of £20,000 each..........

[video=youtube;wGfuohQFS5Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGfuohQFS5Q&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[Alanslegal]

Huge bummer for Assange, shame on the Swedes - and the behaviour from their smartest and brightest is enough for me to never step in that country ever.

There is a presumption in favour of bail in most cases, this is one of it.

The risk of Assange absconding is very close to minimal, and with numerous conditions attached and agreed upon by Assange, is enough to satisfy why bail was granted. Hello Sweden, don't you get the idea?

I think the Swedes are under pressure from the USA to do what it can to keep him locked up solitary confinement. I think they are scared of what Assange can muster when he is able to get access to the internet whilst living in a 10 room mansion. Imagine the rallying of Wikileak troops ands supporters. This could be deciding factor in the Wikileaks vs. US war.

 

[drron]

British justice has suffered a huge blow.Alleged murderers get bail but for not wearing a condom you cant.What rubbish.And that is after he has agreed to a GPS being attached,but because the Swedes have appealed the bail decision he is behind bars until next year!:shock:
This report of a wikileak throws even more doubt on "British justice".
UK 'developed evidence' against McCanns for Portuguese

 

[QF WP]

Hmmm, just got this from Getup!

I thought the YouTube clip was interesting, Lt Col Peters is a little to the left, isn't he :shock:

 

[drron]

Hmmm, just got this from Getup!

I thought the YouTube clip was interesting, Lt Col Peters is a little to the left, isn't he :shock:

Though the You tube clip has now been removed.
The getup clip of the Fox news segment was disturbing.Isn't encouraging a crime such as murder illegal.would be interesting to compare these idiots comments re Assange with their comments re the campaign against Salmon Rushdie.

 

[oz_mark]

In the past, much good investigative journalism was done based on leaks. Unfortunatley, good investigative journalism is expensive and not in line with the business models of most media organisations these days. Not to mention, that consumers aren't really willing to pay for such journalism these days.

So, we end up with a media that for the most part, regurgitates whatever the official line is, except when there has been a controlled leak.

Government has long thrived on controlled leaking of information. Put the two together, and instead of investigative journalism, we have ended up in a situation, where to a large extent, the government is controlling the message, mixed with some small leaks that give a facade of an investigative media.

With the internet, we got some relief from the tightly controlled message that governement and big business was attempting to spread. The down side is that this was done through blogs and forums, and credibility of some of the information was questionable. That is, the truth is out there, but it is hard work to get!

Arguably, wikileaks is not terrorism, but I think we may be seeing the start of a revolution. The governments of the world fear it, and are reacting in a completely expected way.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

The getup clip of the Fox news segment was disturbing.

Agreed.

Lt Col Peters is what l would call a MM (aka a Military Moron).

The way l interpreted that Fox News clip was, "The US defense force/government can't do any wrong and it's ok to kill innocent people and do cover ups."

I'm all for governments keeping secrets, but when they lie/cover up horrendous crimes, l have a problem with that. Lets face it, "most" of the cablegate leaks released so far haven't been "National Secrets". Couple of bruised ego's for the diplomats, whoop-di-doo.

 

[QF WP]

In the past, much good investigative journalism was done based on leaks. Unfortunatley, good investigative journalism is expensive and not in line with the business models of most media organisations these days. Not to mention, that consumers aren't really willing to pay for such journalism these days.

So, we end up with a media that for the most part, regurgitates whatever the official line is, except when there has been a controlled leak.

Government has long thrived on controlled leaking of information. Put the two together, and instead of investigative journalism, we have ended up in a situation, where to a large extent, the government is controlling the message, mixed with some small leaks that give a facade of an investigative media.

With the internet, we got some relief from the tightly controlled message that governement and big business was attempting to spread. The down side is that this was done through blogs and forums, and credibility of some of the information was questionable. That is, the truth is out there, but it is hard work to get!

Arguably, wikileaks is not terrorism, but I think we may be seeing the start of a revolution. The governments of the world fear it, and are reacting in a completely expected way.

Wow, I wish I had written that - totally agree oz_mark

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Wow.
Interesting developments.
Julian Assange freed on bail.

Turns out the British appealed against him being released on bail, not the Swedes. This clearly shows that the sex charges are a load of BS and a smear campaign has been orchestrated against him. Also shows how the US is putting pressure on the UK.

[video=youtube;HgD6FPFuYck]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgD6FPFuYck&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[straitman]

The little speech given by Julian Assange on his release was less than inspiring though considering how long he had to prepare it.

To come out and say how wonderful it was to breath the fresh London air was also a worry. :shock:

 

[oz_mark]

If you think Julian Assange is doing it tough, spare a thought for Bradley Manning. His treatment is nothing short of barbaric

The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

Bradley Manning's health deteriorating in jail, supporters say | World news | The Guardian

 

[Alanslegal]

Just announced by the Australian Federal Police that Assange and/or Wikileaks has NOT committed any crimes within Australia to date;

Julian Assange has committed no crime in Australia: AFP

 

[medhead]

What is really striking me is the points of difference by Rudd. contradicting the PM and AG, offering to give Assange a computer in Gaol.

Has he read the general feeling on the whole thing? Is this an astute political move to create a difference with the government's line?

 

[UP4014]

Something else that is striking is taking the risk of imprisonment for "leaking" nothing stuff.

Most the documents seem to confirm the US opinion of the rest of the world is pretty much right.

Matt

 

[Paddy55]

In the past, much good investigative journalism was done based on leaks. Unfortunatley, good investigative journalism is expensive and not in line with the business models of most media organisations these days. Not to mention, that consumers aren't really willing to pay for such journalism these days.

So, we end up with a media that for the most part, regurgitates whatever the official line is, except when there has been a controlled leak.

Government has long thrived on controlled leaking of information. Put the two together, and instead of investigative journalism, we have ended up in a situation, where to a large extent, the government is controlling the message, mixed with some small leaks that give a facade of an investigative media.

With the internet, we got some relief from the tightly controlled message that governement and big business was attempting to spread. The down side is that this was done through blogs and forums, and credibility of some of the information was questionable. That is, the truth is out there, but it is hard work to get!

Arguably, wikileaks is not terrorism, but I think we may be seeing the start of a revolution. The governments of the world fear it, and are reacting in a completely expected way.

Oz_mark: Well spoken indeed.

Seems to me that individuals complaining the most are more embarrassed than anything else... and therefore mightily upset.

The 'land of the free' doesn't seem to be the 'land of free speech' much these days. :evil::evil::evil:

Paddy