Worse than feet on bulkheads

[Bolthead]

I know it is common practice but it still irks me that cabin crew don't do anything about it. As well a simple sticker on the bulk head would deter some people as well. This photo is from my recent VA flight from SYD-OOL. (a double whammy)

 

[Quickstatus]

Unfortunately its not a safety issue nor is it against any regulation

 

[leadman]

Saw the same thing SYD > MEL on Friday, 1D from a person I would expect better of. Sat like that for over half the trip. Not really much you can do, almost becoming the norm, like feet on train seats.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I know it is common practice but it still irks me that cabin crew don't do anything about it. As well a simple sticker on the bulk head would deter some people as well. This photo is from my recent VA flight from SYD-OOL. (a double whammy)

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i can't say I've ever seen a particularly dirty bulkhead due to feet being on there, and passengers don't come in to contact with the bulkhead for any reason... so I'm not sure I see the problem? a train is a little different, someone's gotta sit on it. not so on a plane.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Unfortunately its not a safety issue nor is it against any regulation

I don't think anyone said it was a safety issue or against a regulation. Nor is carving up the J seat leather with a J meal knife, but I'm fairly sure any airline would take a fairly dim view of such action. There is a distinct difference between breach of legislation and breach of common decency but both can be met with repercussions should an airline choose to enforce it.

 

[legseleven]

On a UA flight from LAX - MEL this week, a family of 5 (3 kids under 8) sat in the two front rows of Economy Plus next to us. Child #3 slept on the floor of the second row upon take off and Mum and Dad took turns laying on the floor of the first row catching a kip. Cabin crew said nothing, even when the seatbelt sign was turned on.

 

[Quickstatus]

I don't think anyone said it was a safety issue or against a regulation. Nor is carving up the J seat leather with a J meal knife, but I'm fairly sure any airline would take a fairly dim view of such action. There is a distinct difference between breach of legislation and breach of common decency but both can be met with repercussions should an airline choose to enforce it.

Sure but I think unless its safety or breach of regulations then the cabin crew would prefer not to take action. Though ive heard some cabin crew have taken action against inappropriately dressed passengers - not sure if this is against any rules...

knowing which battles to fight is important trait of good customer service

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Sure but I think unless its safety or breach of regulations then the cabin crew would prefer not to take action. Though ive heard some cabin crew have taken action against inappropriately dressed passengers - not sure if this is against any rules...

knowing which battles to fight is important trait of good customer service

I'd think decisions to confront pax about misdemeanours would come from management. It's a shame that it's even being discussed and a bigger shame so many seem to believe it's OK to disrespect others property. I wonder how they would feel if I went around to their place and stuck my feet all over the walls, clipped my toenails in their favourite arm chair or lounged back with my feet on their dining table .... simply because I feel I have a God-given right to act like a pig. Something tells me the vast majority of them may just make a scene and I doubt I'd be invited back!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Sure but I think unless its safety or breach of regulations then the cabin crew would prefer not to take action. Though ive heard some cabin crew have taken action against inappropriately dressed passengers - not sure if this is against any rules...

knowing which battles to fight is important trait of good customer service

There's some stuff about appropriate dress in the QF pages somewhere... must have footwear for example. And your clothing can't be inappropriate (for example no offensive slogans).

I'd think decisions to confront pax about misdemeanours would come from management. It's a shame that it's even being discussed and a bigger shame so many seem to believe it's OK to disrespect others property. I wonder how they would feel if I went around to their place and stuck my feet all over the walls, clipped my toenails in their favourite arm chair or lounged back with my feet on their dining table .... simply because I feel I have a God-given right to act like a pig. Something tells me the vast majority of them may just make a scene and I doubt I'd be invited back!

You're lumping a whole lot of things under one banner here. Clipping toe nails is completely different to resting your feet comfortably on a bulkhead. Putting feet on a table is different to feet on a bulkhead... no one has to eat off the bulkhead.

Feet on a bulkhead is not 'pig-like' behaviour - it's a comfort thing. Can I put my feet on a brick wall when sitting in a park? Sure.

Going back to an earlier example... if you're lucky enough to have a row of seats to yourself... are we not allowed to stretch out and sleep because our feet are on the seat?

 

[Quickstatus]

Unfortunately or otherwise air travel has become commoditised. A name such as AirBUS is apt because for many its just like riding on a public bus. Most don't realise this because they are "mesmerised" by a bit of food, LCD screen and perhaps nicely dressed and dolled up flight attendants.

As the vast majority can't fly in a Global8000 or the like I think our expectations need to enhanced(=lowered). This includes First Class as one cannot assume these passengers all have Class.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

You're lumping a whole lot of things under one banner here. Clipping toe nails is completely different to resting your feet comfortably on a bulkhead. Putting feet on a table is different to feet on a bulkhead...

This thread is titled "Worse than feet on bulkheads" and does discuss all manner of behaviour including tow nail clipping and resting feet on tray tables, so I don't understand your comment. I do note that you didn't give any hint as to whether you'd be somewhat annoyed if, as a guest in your home, I stuck my feet (and shoes, as is often the case in airline behaviour) up on your walls whilst lounging back believing that to be acceptable behaviour.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

This thread is titled "Worse than feet on bulkheads" and does discuss all manner of behaviour including tow nail clipping and resting feet on tray tables, so I don't understand your comment. I do note that you didn't give any hint as to whether you'd be somewhat annoyed if, as a guest in your home, I stuck my feet (and shoes, as is often the case in airline behaviour) up on your walls whilst lounging back believing that to be acceptable behaviour.

This thread has discussed a number of scenarios, but the recent posts have been about feet on bulkheads. I'm saying it's hard to put feet on bulkheads in the same category as toe nail clipping.

As to my home... it's not designed in such a way that all my couches and chairs face a wall just 18 inches away.

 

[Quickstatus]

This thread is titled "Worse than feet on bulkheads" and does discuss all manner of behaviour including tow nail clipping and resting feet on tray tables, so I don't understand your comment. I do note that you didn't give any hint as to whether you'd be somewhat annoyed if, as a guest in your home, I stuck my feet (and shoes, as is often the case in airline behaviour) up on your walls whilst lounging back believing that to be acceptable behaviour.

Yes I totally agree that the behavior a described is unacceptable. However requiring the next step by the flight attendants to curb such behaviour is a bit problematic due to the issue I have raised.

I would think that if we were ever guests in Mel-Traveller's home that we would find a superior lounge than even the CL or F lounge and overnight accomodation would not require us sitting in a chair! such that feet on bulkheads would not be required.

(And totally understand if we had to bring our own PJs)

 

[Moody]

Let's be clear. Feet on bulkheads is not a "comfort thing" - it's an "arrogance thing". Let's not conflate that issue with hygiene arguments .....

 

[Happy Trails]

All things considered, I'd rather he'd had his feet on the bulkhead.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

I'm saying it's hard to put feet on bulkheads in the same category as toe nail clipping.

Not at all. The category is anti-social behaviour and it can include many traits.

requiring the next step by the flight attendants to curb such behaviour is a bit problematic due to the issue I have raised.

I think the vast majority of offenders would be embarrassed by the request to be civil and comply immediately. Part of a flight attendants role is to police behaviour and there are far worse they may have to deal with (including excess alcohol consumption) and as a way of strengthening their ability and apart from the training they receive, they are given extensive powers. Basically a flight attendants instruction must be complied with or a pax may be breaching aviation law (at least that's my understanding).

Let's be clear. Feet on bulkheads is not a "comfort thing" - it's an "arrogance thing". Let's not conflate that issue with hygiene arguments .....

Arrogance, yes in many cases, or simply some people have never been given guidance on how to conduct themselves in an acceptable fashion. I believe if you wouldn't do something in your own home, you shouldn't do it in public or in some others home.

 

[Rebekkap]

Arrogance, yes in many cases, or simply some people have never been given guidance on how to conduct themselves in an acceptable fashion. I believe if you wouldn't do something in your own home, you shouldn't do it in public or in some others home.

I wouldn't put my feet on a wall in my own home (or anyone else's) because I am never going to be sitting in a chair facing a wall with limited opportunities for movement for 12+ hours. I see no reason why that means I shouldn't do it in clean socks on a plane.

 

[Quickstatus]

I think the vast majority of offenders would be embarrassed by the request to be civil and comply immediately. Part of a flight attendants role is to police behaviour and there are far worse they may have to deal with (including excess alcohol consumption) and as a way of strengthening their ability and apart from the training they receive, they are given extensive powers. Basically a flight attendants instruction must be complied with or a pax may be breaching aviation law (at least that's my understanding).

Yes agree to a certain extent. i think the FA role is to ensure safety of the aircraft and passengers. They are not there to police behaviour unless in their view it endangers the aircraft. I agree with you that much leeway is given to the crew in their interpretation of "safety of the aircraft". Additionally there are regulation stipulating acceptable dress. How a person dresses does not endanger the aircraft and dresscode on aircraft is the comfort of the other passengers. No such regulation exist for "feet on bulkhead" and similar socially unacceptable behaviour

The problem arises when the cabin crew does not find such behaviour as feet on bulkheads a danger to the aircraft. Essentially unless the airline writes a specific regulation about 'toe nail clippings, nose evacuation, feet on bulkhead" there is nothing we can do except to post here and on "Passenger shaming dot com".

Recently due to "customer feedback" qantas introduced a controversial dress code for their lounges. Until that happened all sorts of undesirably dressed were able to enter. Now the undesirables are just better dressed and are much harder to spot.


When LOTFAP allows a live Turkey onboard as a emotional support animal there is a long way to go until we get to that point.

Or buy our own Global8000 which think can do a MEL-LAX. Then do what you want. Hmm maybe AFF can have a perk like this for certain members...

 

[Boca68]

All things considered, I'd rather he'd had his feet on the bulkhead.

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Ok, not great, but at least there isn't a plumbers crack showing.


But, my first thought, is why are you taking photos of other peoples backsides? Or was the person in that position for an inordinate amount of time?

 

[Happy Trails]

But, my first thought, is why are you taking photos of other peoples backsides? Or was the person in that position for an inordinate amount of time?

The clue is is the thread title.

And if it's there long enough for me to take note and rouse my camera to action, then yes, it's inordinate.