WSI for Western Sydney Airport

[justinbrett]

Lets see what happens

Can already see with MEL and BNE.

 

[Lynda2475]

Home - SYD is for me what Home - WSI is for you.

so you dont actually live in Sydney then.

 

[Quickstatus]

so you dont actually live in Sydney then.

I do but again my point. What you think is Sydney is only a part of Greater Sydney.

 

[SYD]

I don't have an issue with a second airport just the absolutely useless location of such.

You know as well as every other Sydney sider that we weren’t exactly spoilt for choice for sites for a 2nd airport.

You and I won’t be rushing there when it opens but many can’t wait!

 

[yachty]

I do but again my point. What you think is Sydney is only a part of Greater Sydney.

Only the Eastern Suburbs is really Sydney I think is the conclusion we're at

 

[JMB1]

Only the Eastern Suburbs is really Sydney I think is the conclusion we're at

"Everything past the Anzac Bridge is Western Sydney" has become "Anything past the Anzac Bridge ISN'T Sydney"

 

[Lynda2475]

Only the Eastern Suburbs is really Sydney I think is the conclusion we're at

Not at all; and no one has stated such.

"Everything past the Anzac Bridge is Western Sydney" has become "Anything past the Anzac Bridge ISN'T Sydney"

Well Given SYD is over the Anzac Bridge that clearly isn't the case.

Maybe instead of trying to be funny you should look at what has actually been said.

If you are more than 30kms from City of Sydney you know you aren't really in Sydney; no matter how much you try to extend greater Sydney to include regional areas like lower blue mountains, Richmond or Macarthur.



WSI is 60km from Martin Place - that is an absolute crazy distance.

JFK and LGA are both under 27kms from Manhattan. Even Newark which is in a whole different state is only 25kms away.

 

[JMB1]

Not at all; and no one has stated such.


Well Given SYD is over the Anzac Bridge that clearly isn't the case.

Maybe instead of trying to be funny you should look at what has actually been said.

Just a tongue in cheek jab at the not uncommon arbitrary delineation and geographic blindness that goes on in Sydney

While WSI might not be close for you, it'll be closer and more convenient for significant swathes of Western Sydney (Australia's 3rd largest economy) as well as major future growth areas, including Greater Sydney's 3rd CBD literally right on its doorstep

 

[Lynda2475]

I think you need to check your maths on that.

Sydney CBD, North Sydney CBD, Chatswood, and Macquarie Business Park are all much closer to SYD than WSI. Even Paramatta CBD is closer to SYD than WSI.

A CBD at WSI is only a theory it doesnt actually exist. Like Avalon they think if they build it people will come, that is far from a certaity.

Perhaps you care to advise what major Australian companies or international companies with an Australian presence have their headquarters at Badgerys's Creek (or right next to WSI)? None that I (or google) seems to be aware of.

A warehouse or factory doesnt a CBD make.

 

[JMB1]

I think you need to check your maths on that.

Sydney CBD, North Sydney CBD, Chatswood, and Macquarie Business Park are all much closer to SYD than WSI. Even Paramatta CBD is closer to SYD than WSI.

A CBD at WSI is only a theory it doesnt actually exist.

Check my maths on what exactly?

I said significant swathes of Western Sydney would be closer to WSI. Sydney CBD, North Sydney CBD, Chatswood and Macquarie are not considered Western Sydney last I checked.

Bradfield is not theoretical, the master plan has been approved and construction has begun

 

[Lynda2475]

Check my maths on what exactly?

That the 3rd largest CDB in NSW is right near WSI - that is just not true.

I listed all the largest CBDs in Sydney there is only one in the West and that is Paramatta which is closer to SYD then WSI.

There is no CBD at Badgery's Creek, someone has made a sales pitch, but there is no PT connecting it elsewhere nor major businesses head quartered there.

 

[JMB1]

That the 3rd largest CDB in NSW is right near WSI - that is just not true.

I listed all the largest CBDs in Sydney there is only one in the West and that is Paramatta which is closer to SYD then WSI.

There is no CBD at Badgery's Creek, someone has made a sales pitch, but there is no PT connecting it elsewhere nor major businesses head quartered there.

Seems you've misunderstood what I said. Bradfield will be Greater Sydney's third CBD. I didn't say it's Sydney's current 3rd largest CBD

The planning context around the airport and Aerotropolis is pretty clear and far developed beyond a "sales pitch"

A Metropolis of Three Cities | Planning

If PT is your concern, the metro station under the future Bradfield CBD is literally under construction at the moment

 

[moa999]

WSI is 60km from Martin Place - that is an absolute crazy distance.

45km.

But that's why we need a 2nd airport. Sydney is a very large and low density city.
Penrith has been 50km from SYD forever.. how did those people survive.

 

[SYD]

45km.

As the crow flies.

~55km by road from Martin Place (plus tolls). More from further east (60+ kms) and obviously more from the North Shore, the Shire and further south.

It is what is is, but the decision to not build a transport corridor when they had the chance was dumb. Unfortunately, that train line passed through SYD and there’s zero incentive to connect them (which is understandable).

 

[kamchatsky]

As the crow flies.

~55km by road from Martin Place (plus tolls). More from further east (60+ kms) and obviously more from the North Shore, the Shire and further south.

It is what is is, but the decision to not build a transport corridor when they had the chance was dumb. Unfortunately, that train line passed through SYD and there’s zero incentive to connect them (which is understandable).

The most pragmatic way is to extend the WSI Airport Metro from Bradfield to Glenfield, allowing people to transfer to SYD Airport line.

 

[RooFlyer]

To get a clearer picture of terminology, lets move the geography. If someone says 'I live in Melbourne', where do you picture they might live? The CBD? 10km radius around the CBD? I suggest you'd simply think of an area like this.



Or 'We live in London', and I have conveniently circle 'London Gatwick Airport' Gosh.



The co-opting of 'Sydney' to simply refer to some arbitrary (small) distance from the CBD flies in the face of everyday convention and communication.

Sydney's new airport is located in western Sydney (lower case w now and with future growth at Bradfield, capital W) and is appropriately named Western Sydney International; Kingsford Smith airport is in eastern Sydney.

Again, I can only express amazement at the passion against WSI. Its existence and success can only benefit Kingsford Smith, which is chokkers and cannot be expanded either geographically (including into or on Botany Bay ) or via the clock.

And anyone who can find space for a new airport other than where it is is welcome to say so. I guess you could squeeze a runway in if you filled in the Prospect Reservoir, but that would still be west of the A3 curtain . 'Badgerys's Creek' was announced as the site for Sydney's second airport (note that phraseology) in 1986, nearly 40 years ago. So even way back then, before Sydney expanded hugely to the west, it was considered the best site; the only site, really. It was out on hold when they put in the second parallel runway at SYD, but re-started when they realised SYD was reaching full capacity.

Just be thankful the second airport is happening. It will benefit all of Sydney and many outside of it, who can't avoid (price, destination or schedule) having to fly international in or out of there.

 

[moa999]

The most pragmatic way is to extend the WSI Airport Metro from Bradfield to Glenfield, allowing people to transfer to SYD Airport line.

Not pragmatic all. Very few people specifically plan travel to need to transfer between airports.

Even in Tokyo where for a time there was a clear International / Domestic divide between Narita and Haneda they never built a direct connection.

 

[SYD]

Not pragmatic all. Very few people specifically plan travel to need to transfer between airports.

Even in Tokyo where for a time there was a clear International / Domestic divide between Narita and Haneda they never built a direct connection.

I don’t think that was the point of the comment, more that there’s a train line that could be extended to WSI. The choice was made NOT to extend that line West.

There are other corridors. The Metro West is the current thinking, but IMHO that’ll be pretty slow.

To get a clearer picture of terminology, lets move the geography. If someone says 'I live in Melbourne', where do you picture they might live? The CBD? 10km radius around the CBD? I suggest you'd simply think of an area like this.

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Or 'We live in London', and I have conveniently circle 'London Gatwick Airport' Gosh.

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The co-opting of 'Sydney' to simply refer to some arbitrary (small) distance from the CBD flies in the face of everyday convention and communication.

Sydney's new airport is located in western Sydney (lower case w now and with future growth at Bradfield, capital W) and is appropriately named Western Sydney International; Kingsford Smith airport is in eastern Sydney.

Again, I can only express amazement at the passion against WSI. Its existence and success can only benefit Kingsford Smith, which is chokkers and cannot be expanded either geographically (including into or on Botany Bay ) or via the clock.

And anyone who can find space for a new airport other than where it is is welcome to say so. I guess you could squeeze a runway in if you filled in the Prospect Reservoir, but that would still be west of the A3 curtain . 'Badgerys's Creek' was announced as the site for Sydney's second airport (note that phraseology) in 1986, nearly 40 years ago. So even way back then, before Sydney expanded hugely to the west, it was considered the best site; the only site, really. It was out on hold when they put in the second parallel runway at SYD, but re-started when they realised SYD was reaching full capacity.

Just be thankful the second airport is happening. It will benefit all of Sydney and many outside of it, who can't avoid (price, destination or schedule) having to fly international in or out of there.

Most of us are happy with the boundaries of “Greater Sydney”. My old “Sydney” UBD Road directory covered everything from the East, west to the foothills of the Blue Mtns/South West, north to beyond Hornsby and south towards the Gong. The old Melways had equivalent coverage of greater Melbourne…

But that’s nothing to do with the relative distance from parts of greater Sydney - it’s just a fact.

If WSI opens with cheap long term parking (a phrase not usually associated with an airport), then it probably is less of an issue in the beginning.

 

[JMB1]

I don’t think that was the point of the comment, more that there’s a train line that could be extended to WSI. The choice was made NOT to extend that line West.

There are other corridors. The Metro West is the current thinking, but IMHO that’ll be pretty slow.

Most of us are happy with the boundaries of “Greater Sydney”. My old “Sydney” UBD Road directory covered everything from the East, west to the foothills of the Blue Mtns/South West, north to beyond Hornsby and south towards the Gong. The old Melways had equivalent coverage of greater Melbourne…

But that’s nothing to do with the relative distance from parts of greater Sydney - it’s just a fact.

If WSI opens with cheap long term parking (a phrase not usually associated with an airport), then it probably is less of an issue in the beginning.

If it's any consolation the rail corridor via Leppington has been reserved for the future. I believe the state govt is in the process of deciding whether it should be metro or heavy rail

 

[Quickstatus]

I believe the state govt is in the process of deciding whether it should be metro or heavy rail

Heavy rail will be a step backwards.
It's labelled as "future Metro"