Y passengers using J overhead bins

[Stephen65]

My biggest bugbear is limited stowage for Row 1 owing to equipment or more often crew bags taking up the space.

The other thing that puts me off sitting in row 1 on 737s is that often they have worse legroom than rows 2 and 3. Some aircraft have cut-outs in the bulkhead for your feet but a lot don't or only have it on one side.

Back OT I don't think I have ever had problems finding space in the J overheads for my carryon.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

I've often seen DJ staff standing in the seats in row 4 to police the bin space. Never seen this on QF.

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

To join in on the DJ experience, I have seen FA's actively defending J overhead locker space...on multiple occasions, I have never seen it on QF.

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

It is annoying to see someone deposit a bag and keep walking - even before they have seen if there is room at their own overhead locker. And I have never seen QF police this. Whilst inwardly I may applaud someone who 'relocates' a bag from J, be very careful that an accusation of tampering or theft doesn't ensue. I would leave the bag moving to the FAs.

I usually try to board early whether I am flying J or Y in order to get some overhead space. If I am in J then I will close the locker as soon as my bag is in it. This stops the opportune Y bag deposit, but still leaves space for other J passengers, who will usually open the lockers to check for room so no harm done.

 

[anat0l]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

Simple: it is unacceptable for Y pax to use J overheads (unless they are forced to put them there near the end of the boarding process, usually by the FAs).

I don't see why FAs should need to police this: some things FAs need to guide, but this kind of behavior smacks of pig-headed stupidity. Ignorance? Not a defense - I mean, come on.

I don't see FAs policing this behaviour as a service. Frankly, it speaks more of the incompetence and insolence of some idiotic pax who were even lucky to be let in the boarding door. It's insulting to the FAs to have to monitor such a triviality.

If I see what I suspect is a Y bag in the J bins, I ask the seated J pax if it is their bag. If no one in J owns the bag, I will remove the bag and put it on the floor. I have done this before at least twice. I have to admit I have resisted the urge of drop-kicking bags like a football back into Y. Would you believe I have had to help a fellow J pax (not on my booking, and wasn't my bag) from having his bag removed by some random Y pax who had removed Mr Fellow J's bag from the overheads to put his own bag there? After a brief stern conversation, we sent Mr Y packing to the back. Hope he found space there or under his seat......

Is it a problem mainly sprouting in America and Australia due to the increased propensity of the average flyer of those countries to be an insolent imbecile? I'm not sure about in Europe (except possibly for BA), but having observed some full-ish Euro flights, certainly it's a game of bags in overheads like a jigsaw puzzle, but at least pax do seem to respect the J bags in J rule.

 

[JohnK]

My most recent example was Y pax, having boarded earlier, depositing their luggage in the J bins before most J pax had even boarded. I know this because I saw them retrieving thir hand luggage after the flight had landed.

I am sorry if my point come across the wrong way.

I actually agree with you and whoever made the phrase "first world problems" is a wanker. When paying for a particular service all problems/issues are relevant even if one pays $39 for that airfare.

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

I don't see why FAs should need to police this: some things FAs need to guide, but this kind of behavior smacks of pig-headed stupidity. Ignorance? Not a defense - I mean, come on.

It's no different to priority boarding. You can't rely on all pax to behave as they should or follow the "rules". All rather sad really.

 

[smit0847]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

If I see what I suspect is a Y bag in the J bins.

What is your suspicion based on? If that bag looks cheaper than the J bags?

I think the Australian inclination to take lots of hand luggage is because

a) several airlines in Australia charge to check in luggage so people automatically try and take just hand luggage even if its oversized; and

b) the amount of time you save by not checking luggage (at both ends - see the Up In The Air). I only check luggage for my christmas trip back home and thats because my bag is packed with presents. As a currently non-status pax (soon to be gold) doing many, many weekend trips away I would much rather arrive at the airport boarding pass in hand, 25 minutes before my flight and do straight to the gate than be standing around in queues checking bags. Equally I love walking off the plane through the terminal (past everyone waiting for their bag) and onto a bus/train/taxi

 

[SeatBackForward]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

What is your suspicion based on? If that bag looks cheaper than the J bags?

I think the Australian inclination to take lots of hand luggage is because

a) several airlines in Australia charge to check in luggage so people automatically try and take just hand luggage even if its oversized; and

b) the amount of time you save by not checking luggage (at both ends - see the Up In The Air). I only check luggage for my christmas trip back home and thats because my bag is packed with presents. As a currently non-status pax (soon to be gold) doing many, many weekend trips away I would much rather arrive at the airport boarding pass in hand, 25 minutes before my flight and do straight to the gate than be standing around in queues checking bags. Equally I love walking off the plane through the terminal (past everyone waiting for their bag) and onto a bus/train/taxi

But do you lob your carry on bags into a forward section of the plane, even if you're not sitting anywhere near it? Thats the real issue here, not the benefits of carry on only.

 

[Berlin]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

Luckily, all airlines here use newer planes than in the US- now, that is where the issue becomes really bad! But nevertheless, I do agree with the OP, just annoying that the crew doesn't step in.
Much worse of an issue though, are Y passengers happily moving through the curtain to use the J toilet. THAT should not happen and Qantas crew members are some of the worst in not caring about this at all. Not long ago on a flight to Cairns, there was an entire Y family, including screaming kids, queuing up in front of the J class toilet and what did the J flight attendant do? Completely ignored the situation and rather preferred having a little chit chat with another QF crew member from the back end of the plane :evil:

 

[anat0l]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

I actually agree with you and whoever made the phrase "first world problems" is a wanker.

There are "first world problems" and there are "first world problems". The phrase is usually used more in jest or pejoratively. Neither applies in this situation.

It's no different to priority boarding. You can't rely on all pax to behave as they should or follow the "rules". All rather sad really.

I agree with you on this one. It surprises me that five years ago and a bit more, especially on QF, people seemed to "follow the rules" a lot more than they seem to do now.

We can't "rely" on all pax to behave and yet everyone has an expectation that they will be treated with respect and trusted as an adult. I think I don't have to express how embarrassing that irony is.

If I found a pax flouting (note: not out of ignorance, deliberately flouting) the rules, I could berate them with, "Are you a sensible adult or are you an idiot?" Whilst that rhetorical is befitting of the person, greater society ironically would ostracise me for doing that.

What is your suspicion based on? If that bag looks cheaper than the J bags?

My mistake - I usually use the check whether the number of bags in the overhead seems consistent with the number of seated J pax. If it is not consistent then I start asking the cabin (adjacent pax) who owns a random bag which I have chosen, and repeat this until either no one responds or all bags are accounted for. This doesn't take too long at all (but if it's more than 15-30 seconds I'll usually slot in my seat and let the flow down the aisle continue if that is an issue).

When you clearly see that there is a full J overhead but J only has 50% occupancy and no crew bags, you can probably smell something is amiss. I've seen it before and my prediction has not let me down yet.

I think the Australian inclination to take lots of hand luggage is because

a) several airlines in Australia charge to check in luggage so people automatically try and take just hand luggage even if its oversized; and

b) the amount of time you save by not checking luggage (at both ends - see the Up In The Air). I only check luggage for my christmas trip back home and thats because my bag is packed with presents. As a currently non-status pax (soon to be gold) doing many, many weekend trips away I would much rather arrive at the airport boarding pass in hand, 25 minutes before my flight and do straight to the gate than be standing around in queues checking bags. Equally I love walking off the plane through the terminal (past everyone waiting for their bag) and onto a bus/train/taxi

If you want to go hand luggage only then make sure you comply with the hand luggage requirements. Damn simple to understand. Frankly not to get tangled in with not complying with policy is excuse enough if your goal is to save time and bother.

That said, the propensity to bring on more hand luggage has nothing to do with the simple fact that J pax have their overheads for their stuff.

The actual argument of who gets the space after that rule has been fulfilled (viz. board earlier, etc.) is the focus of another topic.

 

[simongr]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

That said, the propensity to bring on more hand luggage has nothing to do with the simple fact that J pax have their overheads for their stuff.

Very true - it is people just chucking their only one bag in the overhead in J as they walk down to whY that I see.

 

[YQY]

TBH I find the crew bags more annoying!

Totally agree, I was on a 3K Flight from BKK to SIN last week in Row 2. When i boarded the aircraft all the bins at front were full with 3K Staff luggage. It was very annoying. Luckily, I was able to store my carry on in front of the seat ahead of me.

I'm glad I didn't purchase row 1 as i would have had to store my carry on in row 6 or worse.

Edit - I have had issues with people storing their carry on's in row 3/4 23/24 as well. This issue is not limited to J.

 

[fjc]

This happened recently on a QF HBA - SYD flight. I boarded fairly early into J, was taking my coat off, when a tall well dressed man in a business suit put his bag into the space above my seat, then continued on down to the back.

He moved so quickly that there was no chance to make a comment. A couple of other Y passengers did the same, and when J did fill up, there was no space left.

QF needs to do the same as DJ do and guard the space.

 

[anat0l]

This happened recently on a QF HBA - SYD flight. I boarded fairly early into J, was taking my coat off, when a tall well dressed man in a business suit put his bag into the space above my seat, then continued on down to the back.

He moved so quickly that there was no chance to make a comment. A couple of other Y passengers did the same, and when J did fill up, there was no space left.

So did any J pax miss out on space in the overheads as a result?

If so, I would've made a point to take out the bag belonging to that well dressed man in the business suit. Clearly, someone did a good job of dressing up a pig to make at least appear respectable.

 

[NM]

I once heard of a simple solution .... if J bins are full and you (as a J passenger) can't find space, ask around the cabin if anyone owns the bag that is in "your" space. If no owner claims it, remove the bag from the overhead bin, place your in its spot and hand the rogue bag to the cabin crew, stating "I can't find space for this bag, could you please arrange to have it placed in the hold?". Not sure I would be game enough to do it, but I am sure some people would.

 

[Berlin]

QF needs to do the same as DJ do and guard the space.

This is one of the key issues with QF: They don't like guarding or enforcing anything. Whether it's the luggage space, the priority boarding line or the J toilets :evil: Which is something I really don't understand- just a matter of staff training, really...

 

[anat0l]

This is one of the key issues with QF: They don't like guarding or enforcing anything. Whether it's the luggage space, the priority boarding line or the J toilets :evil: Which is something I really don't understand- just a matter of staff training, really...

At some time in modern history, such guarding and enforcing was not necessary!

 

[JohnK]

Re: Y passengers using J overhead bins - a QF problem

There are "first world problems" and there are "first world problems". The phrase is usually used more in jest or pejoratively. Neither applies in this situation.

A problem is a problem.

Making me store my luggage in an overhead bin above row 12 while I am seated in row 4 is a huge problem. I am simply not going to wait for that many people to get off before getting my bag.

So it may not be the end of the world as we see it but it is still a problem.

 

[harvyk]

I actually agree with you and whoever made the phrase "first world problems" is a wanker. When paying for a particular service all problems/issues are relevant even if one pays $39 for that airfare.

I agree, I hate that expression, it cheapens a whole range of legitimate problems, and as far as I'm concerned yes bags been put into the wrong overhead bin meaning you don't have space in your own is a problem which needs to be sorted out, esp these days where bag check in fees are becoming more and more, and thus overhead lockers are replacing the job of the aircraft hold more and more.

Personally I believe that you should be allowed to use the locker space above you only, and at an absolute stretch the locker on the other side of the aisle. There should be no legitimate reason why you would need to use a locker 20 seats down, as if you do it means that someone has most likely been trying to avoid checking in a bag (and potentially paying a fee) which really should be stored in the hold.