10,000 bonus points per 20 transactions

[simongr]

I don't know what this DJ Lottery is about. All I know is I got bonus points on the lottery's closing date plus extra bonus points on the bonuses they didn't transfer as 'lottery tickets' in time. I think that was fair compensation. But Simon knows everything so I must be wrong.

Ok colour me confused. If you dont know what the lottery is about then what were all the posts about regarding gaming laws and the DJ lottery?

I would quote the individual non-sensical posts but the number of posts in this thread means that you cant go to an individual post.

 

[wiz]

The FF provider's Terms I read define Program Partners as including amex and add them as parties to a tripartite party with the customer, and give it rights, as a joint and several party to the customer's contract, to claw back allocated points. But I suppose you're right.

Vet, it seems that you are fairly knowledgable about various bits of legislation, terms and conditions, government bodies etc, however you are displaying a fundamental misunderstanding about how the terms and conditions of various programs operate by trying to interrelate them to one another. Forget about all other programs and try to focus on MR. Any issues with point allocation must be resolved here first, before you can take any other subsequent terms into consideration (e.g. Qantas, SPG, KrisFlyer, or even a Myer voucher for that matter).

 

[straitman]

wiz,

i think there are a few other 'Bush Lawyers' in the mix also :!:

 

[simongr]

Your capacity to comprehend might be enhanced if you didn't waste time portraying your vituperative as intellectual superiority.

Ok I had to Dictionary.com this one - "vituperative". A new one on me. The definition was:

"Vi*tu"per*a*tive\, a. Uttering or writing censure; containing, or characterized by, abuse; scolding; abusive."

My only element of abuse I think was the reference to drug taking. After that I went for facts which sadly you (and the rest of us) seem to lack.

Is there any chance you might tackle the whole "this is nothing to do with QFF or DJ" question or are you happy to ignore that?

For the record I am not intellectually superior to anyone here - all I want is clear and concise facts and no-one has those at all. Feel free to quote legislation up the ying yang - once you get to a point that it might be useful, people might read it.

 

[straitman]

.....once you get to a point that it might be useful, people might read it.

Agree entirely :!:

 

[NSWhere]

This isn't high school......

But muuuum, Mr Amex promised me an ice cream in F on EK413 and I want it NOW!

 

[straitman]

But muuuum, Mr Amex promised me an ice cream in F on EK413 and I want it NOW!

If you go through the green door (now) the nice man will show you where to get your ice cream :!:

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Firstly thank you for that most interesting and instructive post.

What I was pointing out was that Amex's offer to give you extra, free, MR points isn't a contract (as far as I can tell). You aren't providing anything back in return (quid pro quo), and as such not enforceable under Common Law contract. (not to say that there aren't various piece of legislation passed by Parliament that might prevent Amex from reneging on their offer).

Now as a disclaimer I am no expert in law...let alone contract law...so pardon my no doubt poor interpretation coming up.

You have indicated that I (or Cardmembers) are not providing anything in return.

However it would seem to me that I have.

1/ Amex made to me a direct offer to go out and increase the number of my transactions and i return they offer to reward (pay) me 1000 MR points per transaction.

Now I saw this as a clear bounty or payment.

Indeed examaination of my spending patterns clearly demonstrate that I have markedly incresed the number of transactions as a result of Amex offer to pay me 1000 points per transaction.

Indeed examination of my VISA account would indicate a marked decline in custom there.

2/ In addition Amex takes a % of any transaction I make. Therefore it would also seem to me that I am priding to Amex $ in the form of commision.


They only make this commission if I choose to use my Amex as payment fora goods or service.

By amex agreing to pay me bonus points I have in return made more transactions. This has also increased the commission that Amex has returned.


Now if Amex only had the realtinship with the stores and not me there would have been no increase in tansactions or spend.

This increase has been due to Amex "contracting" with me to make transactions with my Amex Card. It is pays me for effort with a linear relationship based on points per transaction.


Now as stated....I have no real detailed knowledge of contracts...so AnonymousCoward (as you are i assumed trained in this field) perhaps if you would so kind you can clarify as to why I am not providing anything back in return.

It would seem to me that I am in time, in transactions.....and also in $$ as there are some businesses such as JB HiFi who charge an additional commission . Now this cost me more money.

Now some may say this is with the Shop. but I would imagine the businesses who in the main charge this extra commission are ones whose deal with amex is to pay them a higher commission.

This means to me that my now choosing to pay with amex rather than Visa due the points means that amex is being delivereda benefit from me that it otherwse would not have gained if it had not contracted with me to pay me 1000 bonus points for the transaction.

 

[rodgerbranch]

Still not clear answer from AMEX CSR... I cant imagine how they would Cap everyone to 5000 points

 

[LordGarlic]

Are there anymore people who have been told they are now capped at 5K??


P/s: looks like we will be hitting 2000 posts by 2nite.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Are there anymore people who have been told they are now capped at 5K??


P/s: looks like we will be hitting 2000 posts by 2nite.

T&C on website still says 10,000 for post-20 registrants.

 

[NSWhere]

Now as a disclaimer I am no expert in law...let alone contract law...so pardon my no doubt poor interpretation coming up.

This is the kind of post that drives me to make comments about our mums writing us notes and icecreams in F. While superficially this post has the appearance of substance, it is as pointless as my rubbish because it has all been covered in previous posts. Whether our interpretations are correct remains to be seen, but to save anonymouscoward and others (including myself) running over the same quasi-academic legal debate, how about you go back a few (dozen) pages and have a read for yourself?

Of course, if you have any facts that you think might be relevant and original, bring on the debate!

Now this next part is most certainly not aimed at you, lovetravellingoz, it is a more general observation: With the number of non-facts being presented here and our plethora of half-baked arguments (of which am as guilty as any) there is no need to contact TT, we've done their work for them!

 

[diesmile]

T&C on website still says 10,000 for post-20 registrants.

the website has no use. it was just like that a few week ago. website still shows old info about unlimited points earning, 5000 points from 5 transactions. but all the phone calls suggested there will be a cap involved.

so i won't be surprised if amex release another set of t&c and update their website once more.

all we need to do is wait for more people contact amex and see what response they receiving.

but to be honest, 5000 points per month is totally rubbish, they might as well not release this promotion at all.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

the website has no use. it was just like that a few week ago. .

With respect it was not.

It has changed. The 10K has been introduced (plus a swag of fineprint)....and then made retrospective to Sept 20.

Anyway my point was that if they had changed to a 5K cap that I presume that they would also (again) modify the website.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

Now as a disclaimer I am no expert in law...let alone contract law...so pardon my no doubt poor interpretation coming up.

Whilst only a competent Court of Law can definitively decide the issue, if you have a poor understanding of the law, then seek legal advice from a lawyer before muddying the watrs.

You have indicated that I (or Cardmembers) are not providing anything in return.

However it would seem to me that I have.

1/ Amex made to me a direct offer to go out and increase the number of my transactions and i return they offer to reward (pay) me 1000 MR points per transaction.

No - they didn't. They offered you something (extra points) for something that you choose to do (use your card). If the offer was "use your card *more* than you are currently using it" then perhaps there is a quid pro quo. However I don't ever recall that being a condition.

2/ In addition Amex takes a % of any transaction I make. Therefore it would also seem to me that I am priding to Amex $ in the form of commision.

That is between the merchant and Amex. Not between you and Amex.

This increase has been due to Amex "contracting" with me to make transactions with my Amex Card. It is pays me for effort with a linear relationship based on points per transaction.

This is totally incorrect. Please read up on the essential elements of a contract.

It would seem to me that I am in time, in transactions.....and also in $$ as there are some businesses such as JB HiFi who charge an additional commission . Now this cost me more money.

If JB Hifi charge you extra, that is between you and JB Hifi. Not between you and Amex. JB HiFi are charging you the extra, not Amex. If JB HiFi then has to send money to Amex, that's between JB HiFi and Amex.

Just because you are "out of pocket" doesn't constitute diddly-squat.

 

[benhadi]

surely this is tantamount to fraud on the part of AMEX? Promising something and then not delivering when we fulfil our side of bargain?

Surely the ACCC would have to take some action, otherwise this will set a very dangerous precedent.

Imagine if other businesses start doing this....promise something and then retroscpectively changing the rules.

 

[diesmile]

With respect it was not.

It has changed. The 10K has been introduced (plus a swag of fineprint)....and then made retrospective to Sept 20.

Anyway my point was that if they had changed to a 5K cap that I presume that they would also (again) modify the website.

what i meant was the website usually updates much later. so maybe in a few weeks time, the website will get updated again. but for now, at least 2 people got the same message about capped at 5000 points per month.

i just want anyone else who wish to contact amex and check this, and if so, report the result back here.

 

[rodgerbranch]

Oh Boy 2000 POSTS ... WOW congratulations AMEX you made us post 2000 Times

I think the CSR this morning was confused, cos the one in the afternoon told me he wasnt aware of any further changes. However, he mentioned that he was new in the Customer support line ... I duno

 

[nlagalle]

the website has no use. it was just like that a few week ago. website still shows old info about unlimited points earning, 5000 points from 5 transactions. but all the phone calls suggested there will be a cap involved.

so i won't be surprised if amex release another set of t&c and update their website once more.

all we need to do is wait for more people contact amex and see what response they receiving.

but to be honest, 5000 points per month is totally rubbish, they might as well not release this promotion at all.

I'll take the website over heresay of a CSR.. The T&C are still there and in writing.

I'll say it again.. Take a chill pill for the moment... Stop dragging up acronyms like ASIC, ACCC TT ACA. Wait until we here something official! remember we have another 7 weeks until we should start seeing whatever bonyus points post. Until that, or something official in writing, i wouldn't believe what a CSR tells you!

damm, missed getting the 2000 post....

 

[rodgerbranch]

I'll take the website over heresay of a CSR.. The T&C are still there and in writing.

I'll say it again.. Take a chill pill for the moment... Stop dragging up acronyms like ASIC, ACCC TT ACA. Wait until we here something official! remember we have another 7 weeks until we should start seeing whatever bonyus points post. Until that, or something official in writing, i wouldn't believe what a CSR tells you!

damm, missed getting the 2000 post....

I am sure everyone has been very patient. It has been a long 3 weeks of waiting for some sort of decent explanation from Amex, in some kind of formal/written way, addressed to each one of us. It looks like they either don't care or want to clarify what is our situation. It is more convenient for them to keep us scared of what their interpretation of the T&C will be. In this way we will not reach for Unlimited points any further, and just be satisfied with any deal better than the given to the post-20Th.

:mrgreen::mrgreen: nlagalle you will have to wait another 1000 posts more :mrgreen::mrgreen: