10,000 bonus points per 20 transactions

[lovetravellingoz]

Hi there,

I'm intrigued. Can someone please tell me why bill splitting is against the T&Cs of MR? A transaction is a transaction and if you choose to have multiple receipts for whatever purpose then that is at your own inconvenience and should not impact on your agreement with AMEX.

Sure, bill splitting will make this promotion more rewarding but ultimately the responsibility to limit the number of points awarded should rest with AMEX due to their ability/willingness to award points and not to prevent bill splitting!

They will argue that you have done it to abuse the promotion.

I mean what reasonable argument can you put up if you have done multiple transactions on the one day that the purpose was not to rort the system?

 

[LordGarlic]

Yes the page is now working at last - BUT if I enter 'myrewards' or 'mybonus' it returns the following message:

We apologise, this Bonus offer has now ended. Keep an eye out for our forthcoming promotional bonuses and remember, you can register for the bonus as soon as you get our notification, there is no need to wait until the bonus starts. That way, you will automatically earn bonus points as soon as the promotion starts!
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END???Does that explain why we have stopped receiving the bonus points??

 

[NSWhere]

They will argue that you have done it to abuse the promtion.

I mean what resaonable argument can you put up if you have done multiple transactions on the one day that the purpose was not to rort the system?

I agree with lovetravellingoz, it comes down to term 14.4. Thing is, if you can put forward a reasonable argument for the bill splitting then fair enough (they might then argue that they should treat the multiple transactions as one, as it was for economic purposes). Good luck making an argument along the lines that you wanted to purchase bread rolls individually to help with the daily budgeting of school lunches...

I have attached the term below.

14.4 Fraud and abuse relating to the earning of points in the program or redemption
of rewards, including transfer of points to participating frequent traveller
programs, may result in forfeiture of points as well as cancellation of the
program account.

 

[NSWhere]

END???Does that explain why we have stopped receiving the bonus points??

Not unless they want to spend a load on legal fees. They may have ended it (and that is their right), but until you are advised the points you earn are all yours and will remain so. Subject to the abuse clause of course.

 

[Kazda]

Any news yet on the link now working...but saying the offer is now closed.

 

[oz_mark]

END???Does that explain why we have stopped receiving the bonus points??

Nope, it just means the online opt-in page doesn't know about the promotion. You get the same error if you type LORDGARLIC in as a promo code.

 

[js]

Nope, it just means the online opt-in page doesn't know about the promotion. You get the same error if you type LORDGARLIC in as a promo code.

Damn that's a shame. I didn't get the postcard for that one, but heard from a friend and that "one clove per transaction" offer seemed too good to be true.

 

[equus]

I mean what resaonable argument can you put up if you have done multiple transactions on the one day that the purpose was not to rort the system?

There have been several posted already - and all quite valid. Large Department stores (Myers / DJs) expect you to pay at the counter in the appropriate department, so very easy to have several transactions within the same hour at the same store.

Some pubs accept AMEX. Now, it may be possible to establish a tab, but they want you to leave your card with them, and one of the most basic card security / fraud prevention rules is not to let go of the card, let alone leave it unattended in a pub for a long period of time:shock:. So, buy a round of drinks, a bit later, buy another round, time for dinner, then buy a last round. 4 transactions quite easy over a couple of hours, all completely legitimate (yes, this is exactly what I did last Friday, but none of the transactions was under $10, and the 4 of them came to over $200, so avergage over $50).

I am sure there are lots of similar scenarios, but I would suggest that one of the key criteria would be whether amounts were an obvious breakdown, and to inappropriate merchants, and the time between transactions. Council rates in multiples of $10 have no logical sense, but 2 or 3 large transactions would be quite legitimate - if you have several properties. Transactions spread over a period, no problem, every couple of minutes, alarm bells start ringing.

 

[beardoc]

I think some further clarification from Amex (bring up the promo webpages again, with clearer rules and pointing out what cannot be done to earn the bonus points). Perhaps they are aiming to bring them back in late September/early October for people to be able to sign up for a full October transaction run.

Lindsay:

Not sure if you are thinking that the promotional webpages are gone - they are still up:

American Express

American Express

Still with the original Terms and Conditions.

 

[pomjim]

On subject of "bill splitting". You can use Telstra "easy pay" to pay an amount every two weeks towards your phone bill. This is "bill splitting" of course, but, would it be classed as allowable bill splitting I wonder?

 

[snufl]

Yesterday my husband went out for some shopping and returned with 3 Woolworths dockets.

Me: Are you crazy, Amex will accuse us of abuse! :evil:
Him: Hang on, I bought groceries (1), then went to the Woolies bottle shop for a bottle of scotch (2). Then I remembered you asked me to buy cigarettes and drop them in to your dad. I bought them at the outside counter (3). Anyway, you can't buy cigarettes inside Woolies unless you wait at checkout for someone on staff to go them. So next time do I hold up the queue or just forget your dad?
Me:

Will this promo end a marriage?

 

[simongr]

On subject of "bill splitting". You can use Telstra "easy pay" to pay an amount every two weeks towards your phone bill. This is "bill splitting" of course, but, would it be classed as allowable bill splitting I wonder?

There is an economic reason for doing that though so it is not bill splitting.

I did the pub thing last week - I paid for lunch and a couple of rounds of drinks and people gave me cash for the food.

 

[QF WP]

Ah, interesting...I was actually referring to the webpage referred to in the first post and substituting each of the codes and was getting the same error message:

We're sorry...
This offer has been temporarily suspended due to operational issues. Please try again later.

You note the pages for the 5T/5K and 10T/5K promo's - is there one for the 20T/10K??

Lindsay:

Not sure if you are thinking that the promotional webpages are gone - they are still up:

American Express

American Express

Still with the original Terms and Conditions.

 

[ejb]

Well no bonus points for a couple of days now so looks like things are on hold.

One good thing though is I already got 30000 bonus points and they have not yet been taken back.

Such is life.

ejb

 

[JohnK]

I mean what resaonable argument can you put up if you have done multiple transactions on the one day that the purpose was not to rort the system?

1) I am sitting in the bar downstairs and I walk up to the bar buy a schooner of beer. Pay with Amex and sit down to drink the schooner of beer.
2) A short time later, yes I know some people will say a very short time, I walk up to the bar and buy another schooner of beer. Pay with Amex and sit down to drink the schooner of beer.
3) Repeat step 2 as often as is necessary.

Why am I rorting the system?

 

[file51]

1) I am sitting in the bar downstairs and I walk up to the bar buy a schooner of beer. Pay with Amex and sit down to drink the schooner of beer.
2) A short time later, yes I know some people will say a very short time, I walk up to the bar and buy another schooner of beer. Pay with Amex and sit down to drink the schooner of beer.
3) Repeat step 2 as often as is necessary.

Why am I rorting the system?

Simple, you arent....

although a round on the house would be greatly appreciated

 

[QF WP]

You may not be "rorting the system" if you are prepared to prove:

1. It was the only way to purchase the said multiple [drinks] (or insert any item - like the valid DJ, Myers or Wooworths examples previously referred to in this thread)
2. You felt that the risk of "skimming" of your CC details, or other people in the bar putting drinks on your tab was too high (risk minimisation strategy) - but how to prove your concerns to Amex might be harder - you might need confirmation from the outlet that it followed their charging rules.
3. [Insert your own reasoning]

This list is by no means exhaustive...just my ideas .

 

[glass]

why are we still filling this thread with ppl trying to justify their bill splitting? What we think doesn't matter, and if you've actually read the thread instead of just skimmed the last 10 posts each time you login you'll realise this has ALL been debated before and we all know when it is legit or not.
I'll give each of you a gold 'non rorting' star if you want, maybe the ppl that do get caught by amex can show them the star?

to reiterate: whether your bill splitting is legit or not, WE DON'T CARE!

 

[oz_mark]

2. You felt that the risk of "skimming" of your CC details, or other people in the bar putting drinks on your tab was too high (risk minimisation strategy) - but how to prove your concerns to Amex might be harder - you might need confirmation from the outlet that it followed their charging rules.

FWIW I have had the snouts in the trough brigade stick drinks on a bar tab of mine. Never opened a tab since, never will again

 

[QF WP]

What we think doesn't matter, and if you've actually read the thread instead of just skimmed the last 10 posts each time you login you'll realise this has ALL been debated before and we all know when it is legit or not.

glass, be very careful about making comments that are factually incorrect...not sure whether you are talking about me (who has read every post in this thread) or JohnK (who has probably read most, if not all of the posts - certainly, he began posting on this thread on 16 September and has been consistently posting since).

why are we still filling this thread with ppl trying to justify their bill splitting?...I'll give each of you a gold 'non rorting' star if you want, maybe the ppl that do get caught by amex can show them the star? ... to reiterate: whether your bill splitting is legit or not, WE DON'T CARE!

Discussion of the point is reasonable, for people who feel they are aggrieved, or may be in the future. Debate is healthy, [false] accusations are not :shock: