2016 US Presidential Election and Fallout

[DaveB]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

When 42% of americans still believe in creationism, they have always been my big worry. They are at least allegedly educated whilst arab terrorists are typically uneducated and poor brought up in a 15th century time warp with exposure to the 'decadent evil west'.
With most of my family in the country, I spend a lot of time west of the ranges and am constantly exposed to our fair share of redneck hillbillies.

 

[UP4014]

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Trump winning has depressed the Mexican currency, making imports even cheaper into the US.

When the wall goes up and trade tariffs increase out of China to the US and Walmart increases prices as it buys US manufactured goods it will hit the Trump supporters.

Not supporting one or the other side, just making a comment.

 

[Quickstatus]

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She won 50 plus of the population.

Huh??? only 52% voted.

When Trump said he might not accept the verdict of the election there were howls of indignation, and contempt was poured on him. So who is not accepting the verdict now?.

 

[vetrade]

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About 20 years ago I remember reading about Donald Trump's success. Overseeing his property developments etc. he had so many things to manage that he had one hard and fast rule, which was that no phone conversation was allowed to exceed 20 or 30 seconds (I'm rusty on exactly which it was) - if someone couldn't state what they needed to quickly they got cut off. He was able to be across multiple issues and able to make decisions during those short phone calls. Such clarity and focus distinguishes him as a very rare individual - if he brings such a mindset to the job of POTUS I think the world will see that Trump is a "doer" and certainly far different to most of those currently inhabiting the "swamp".

 

[Warks]

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Amazing the legs that "Simpsons predicted the future in 2000" myth has. Complete bunkum. But there it is on the front page of a reputable newspaper...


On the election I was just looking at how many votes each state gets in the Electoral College. It's weighted to the more populous states but still it's something of a gerrymander with the tiny states getting a minimum of three votes. However a party just has to win 11 states to get 270 votes if they can win the biggest states:

California 55
Texas 38
New York 29
Florida 29
Pennsylvania 20
Illinois 20
Ohio 18
Georgia 16
Michigan 16
North Carolina 15
New Jersey 14
Total: 270

So you can see why some of those states were constantly under siege by the two hopefuls.

The tiny states always get three votes no matter how small. Not sure how big they are before getting each extra vote - I think it's one per 500 000 people. Each state has two senators so that's two of the votes already.



Did you see how the District of Columbia (Washington DC) voted 93% for Clinton? The public service knows which side its bread is buttered it seems.

 

[wazza888]

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When the wall goes up and trade tariffs increase out of China to the US and Walmart increases prices as it buys US manufactured goods it will hit the Trump supporters.

A 45% tariffs increase on imports out of China. I suppose his fashion range will cost more.

 

[burmans]

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A 45% tariffs increase on imports out of China.

This was a threat based on Chinese manipulation of their currency. Cant imagine it will be that popular in reality of those shopping in Walmart suddenly see their prices go up so wouldn't guarantee this happening exactly as Donald suggests. Much of what Donald has stated should be taken as a hardline bargaining position, exactly like the businessman he is. Doesn't mean he wont back down from these positions if he achieves his aims in other ways.

 

[Quickstatus]

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Amazing the legs that "Simpsons predicted the future in 2000" myth has. Complete bunkum. But there it is on the front page of a reputable newspaper...


On the election I was just looking at how many votes each state gets in the Electoral College. It's weighted to the more populous states but still it's something of a gerrymander with the tiny states getting a minimum of three votes. However a party just has to win 11 states to get 270 votes if they can win the biggest states:

California 55
Texas 38
New York 29
Florida 29
Pennsylvania 20
Illinois 20
Ohio 18
Georgia 16
Michigan 16
North Carolina 15
New Jersey 14
Total: 270

So you can see why some of those states were constantly under siege by the two hopefuls.

The tiny states always get three votes no matter how small. Not sure how big they are before getting each extra vote - I think it's one per 500 000 people. Each state has two senators so that's two of the votes already.



Did you see how the District of Columbia (Washington DC) voted 93% for Clinton? The public service knows which side its bread is buttered it seems.

the most populous states - the ones with the most electoral college votes almost always vote Democrat.
The path to POTUS was widely accepted by most in the media (who support Democrat in the main) as easier for a Democrat.

DC though not a state gets the same electors as a state but no more than the state with smallest electors = 3 house and 2 senators.

The reason for the disparity between popular vote and electoral college vote is because only 2 states allocate electoral college votes according to the %. All other states are winner takes all.

It's the system. Trump got howled down for suggesting he may not accept the vote by the same people (not all) that are now protesting they don't accept the verdict.

Both sides won't change the current because they can see it may benefit them.
I wonder how many of the protestors actually voted?

When you analyse it the current system prevents to a certain extent the "tyranny of the majority".

 

[Hvr]

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The difference between being a business man and President is that there is a lot more accountability as a politician and there are very few decisions you can make as President without approval of Congress.

Whilst the Republicans have control of the Reps and the Senate, the US don't have the same party discipline we're used to here in Australia. He'll have to fight for every vote. And the members are very attuned to their local area and donors to the extent they'll do anything to protect local businesses even to the detriment of their party.

As for being over several issues at once, well at that level you're expected to be. With a rich history of having former military members in office the requirement to state an issue and potential solution in seconds is essential.

For all our sakes I hope he does do a good job.

 

[Warks]

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Meanwhile in Keatingtopia:

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...t-australian-foreign-policy-after-us-election

 

[Hvr]

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DC though not a state gets the same electors as a state but no more than the state with smallest electors = 3 house and 2 senators.

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Actually DC doesn't have federal representation with sitting members.

From Wikipedia:

In the United States House of Representatives, the District is represented by a delegate, who is not allowed to vote on the House floor but can vote on procedural matters and in congressional committees. D.C. residents have no representation in the United States Senate.

The lack of Federal representation is a sore point for locals as demonstrated by this number plate.




(PS I know I've got the same photo in twice and have requested assistance to remove the smaller sized one.)

 

[samh004]

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(PS I know I've got the same photo in twice and have requested assistance to remove the smaller sized one.)

Your issue was that you had 2 attachments, to remove the problem attachment you needed to manage attachments after editing a post in "Go Advanced". I opened each attachment in a new tab and looked at their file names to work out which one I needed to delete.

 

[Quickstatus]

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Thanks for pointing it out about DC - yes they are Shadow congressmen/women and shadow senators with powers as you describe. Electoral college = 3

There is talk about DC (from within DC) to make it a formal a state in the Union. This means an additional star needs to be added to the flag.

While Republicans control the legislative and executive branch and make have influence in the makeup of the judicial branch, they don't have enough numbers in the senate to prevent a Democrat filibuster. They need I think 2/3 majority to stop a filibuster.

 

[get me outta here]

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Doesn't POTUS have to make public their accounts and put their investments into a blind trust of some sort. This will be interesting.

 

[UP4014]

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Disclosure, will he last the distance.

 

[dajop]

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Amazing the legs that "Simpsons predicted the future in 2000" myth has. Complete bunkum. But there it is on the front page of a reputable newspaper...

There is some truth to it, not the podium picture but a remark from Lisa in a dream sequence where she is president about inheriting financial mess from "President Trump". Prediction accurate? Yes. Difficult prediction to make? No - apparently Trump has been talking about running for President since at least 1999.

 

[Quickstatus]

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Some commentators sugges it was Obama's berating of Trump at a White House party that steeled Trump to aim for POTUS. Might be in 2011?

 

[UP4014]

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Some commentators sugges it was Obama's berating of Trump at a White House party that steeled Trump to aim for POTUS. A

That sort approach, comment made at a White House party, that will lead to a weak president. Going after the small irritating stuff gets you off the goal. Trump is a PR bloke rather than a businessman, so lets see what substance there is behind the PR front.

 

[Quickstatus]

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What's not bunking is Hilary's character - the lies and deceit go all the way back to the Watergate affair when working as a lawyer was sacked for "lies and deceit"

 

[UP4014]

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What's not bunking is Hilary's character - the lies and deceit go all the way back to the Watergate affair when working as a lawyer was sacked for "lies and deceit"

Yawn.......