2016 US Presidential Election and Fallout

[JohnK]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

But same applies to Clinton. Hell, even in Greece

Greece is the worst of the lot. Corruption for the past 30-40 years has destroyed the country.

The day I get to vote for a candidate that I want to vote for not that someone else wants me to vote for that is democracy. The will of the people.

Need to somehow get rid of party politics. That's the only way.

 

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Keep it up whatmeworry.You are galvanising the vote of those you hate.

 

[Abdul_A350]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Greece is the worst of the lot. Corruption for the past 30-40 years has destroyed the country.

The day I get to vote for a candidate that I want to vote for not that someone else wants me to vote for that is democracy. The will of the people.

Need to somehow get rid of party politics. That's the only way.

I see. So it was not so much the thread itself you objected to, as one of the turns it took.

More farewells than Frank Sinatra.

 

[Pushka]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Greece is the worst of the lot. Corruption for the past 30-40 years has destroyed the country.

The day I get to vote for a candidate that I want to vote for not that someone else wants me to vote for that is democracy. The will of the people.

I guess you don't need me to tell you that's impossible

 

[dajop]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Trump lied 77% of the time compared to 27% of the time for Clinton.

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These figures may well be correct but I don't think people were looking for the truth, and the media and Clinton minders missed that completely. What Trump offered was authenticity - he would say things, albeit lies a lot of the time, that came across as authentic. Most of what Hilary said - carefully crafted to avoid out and out lies, but often bending the truth - came across as spin and inauthentic.

She represented everything a lot of people hate about the system.

I still think people will be in for a shock when the Gingrich's etc of the Trump world continue with the estalishment economic platform and influence of Walll St - despite Trumps rhetoric, after all establishment Dems and GOP are not that far apart economically, where the big difference lies is social issues such as guns, abortion, healthcare). I even think the outcome to military action will also be more Bush-esque (W) than following a lot of what Trump originally said during campaign.

 

[pjm99au]

2016 US Presidential Election

The thread hasn't run its course, rather their are a of couple xenophobes, misogynists and racists who keep posting to try to shutdown discussion on anything they view against their extremely narrow view of the world. .

Does debate really need to come to this where to try and discredit a point of view we take the cheap approach of branding our opponent these things. Surely we can get our point across without stooping to these kind of remarks.

 

[JohnK]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

I guess you don't need me to tell you that's impossible

Yes I know that's impossible which is why I refuse to call what we have democracy. Some think they have a choice.

HSBC has a short survey with balance transfers. Do you prefer current balance transfers of 7.99% or higher interest rate but longer term balance transfers? They are giving me the choice they want. Where's the option for neither? No different to political elections.

 

[rogerkambah]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Except - AFF isn't really anonymous because many of us have met. ...........

And that is the beautiful thing about AFF. That, and the fact that really obnoxious posters who see a difference of opinion as an opportunity to launch a personal attack find themselves suspended.

 

[rogerkambah]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Yes I know that's impossible which is why I refuse to call what we have democracy. Some think they have a choice.

HSBC has a short survey with balance transfers. Do you prefer current balance transfers of 7.99% or higher interest rate but longer term balance transfers? They are giving me the choice they want. Where's the option for neither? No different to political elections.

Well, the option for neither is to not takeup either of HSBC's offer. (Sorry OT)

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

My sons partner is a medico in NSW on a permanent visa here. She has both British and US citizenship. She was against Brexit and also wanted Clinton. She has no passport left she wants to use!

Maybe she can wait until Chelsea gets in?

 

[JohnK]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

This thread is now dead as far as I am concerned JohnnyK.Yes there certainly has been some intelligent and insightful posts during those coming days PF - some posts even required reporting to Mods they were so good.

Clarification: I post this fully understanding the responses that might follow - that's the beauty / ugliness of social media and the internet in general - posting in perceived anonymity is such an interesting concept.

The number of insults and personal attacks is astounding.

I witnessed village politics in Greece in 1990. This is no different. Wish this thread gets closed soon. Nothing new to add.

 

[Isochronous]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

No surprises that the grubby part of Carlos Danger has now incited its trashy supporters to engage in child abuse - this leftist mother kicked her young child out of the house for daring to vote for Trump in a mock school election:

Texas mother throws her little boy out after he ‘voted’ for Donald Trump in school | Daily Mail Online

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Greece is the worst of the lot. Corruption for the past 30-40 years has destroyed the country.

The day I get to vote for a candidate that I want to vote for not that someone else wants me to vote for that is democracy. The will of the people.

Need to somehow get rid of party politics. That's the only way.

Thats why I prefer Optional voting.

 

[get me outta here]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

You are nothing if not tenacious with the name calling. It's as if you really actually believe that the other side would behave sooo much better.

No surprises that the grubby part of Carlos Danger has now incited its trashy supporters to engage in child abuse - this leftist mother kicked her young child out of the house for daring to vote for Trump in a mock school election:

Texas mother throws her little boy out after he ‘voted’ for Donald Trump in school | Daily Mail Online

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The thread hasn't run its course, rather their are a of couple xenophobes, misogynists and racists who keep posting to try to shutdown discussion on anything they view against their extremely narrow view of the world. At the end of day, Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, is a xenophobe, is a misogynist and is a racist who is part of the establishment.

These tactics of shutting down debate by namecallingpeople with the above labels just because they disagree did not work at the last election.

Free speech?. In America it seems like it only exists at the ballot box.

 

[RooFlyer]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

And which side exactly is that you refer to Roo? To clarify - I am an unabashed Hillary supporter.
This thread is now dead as far as I am concerned JohnnyK.Yes there certainly has been some intelligent and insightful posts during those coming days PF - some posts even required reporting to Mods they were so good.
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The side of violent riots and the other incidents that I've noted, not your good self, or Clinton supporters in general . FWIW, I started off being distinctly Clinton supporting, after she saw off Sanders, but as the campaign rolled on, in spite of the ghastly carp that sometimes came out of Trump's mouth, I looked more to the actual track record of the two candidates and the policies of each (knowing that both would be mollified by reality, and checks-and-balances, if elected) and thought Trump would be the better of a bad choice.

Anyway, no offence to you & allied AFFs intended, CE and apologies if taken.

 

[RooFlyer]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The number of insults and personal attacks is astounding.

I witnessed village politics in Greece in 1990. This is no different. Wish this thread gets closed soon. Nothing new to add.

Then please, don't keep adding things. Just ignore it/don't read it.

 

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Apparently 53% of white women who voted did so for Trump.This has upset some-

White women sold out the sisterhood and the world by voting for Trump.

The writer reminds me of Bertrand Russel quotes-

Much that passes as idealism is disguised hatred or disguised love of power.

We are faced with the paradoxical fact that education has become one of the chief obstacles to intelligence and freedom of thought.

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

So its very easy folks:

If you are female you can only vote for female candidate. Dont think! just do as you are told. Could have saved the entire world 18 months of electioneering and billions of $$.

 

[RAM]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

I am in a bind. I don't like Trump. One little bit. Probably most people don't like him. Yet Clinton couldn't muster up enough votes to counter the dislike. And that says an awful lot about Clinton.

As far as the gender thing? THAT is the bit some women need to get over. This was not about Clinton being female.

The best evidence of that is a comparison of the exit polls.

Around 3 million more women voted for Obama in 2012 than voted for Clinton in 2016.

Enough said.

Except - AFF isn't really anonymous because many of us have met.

There is certainly a band of Clinton supporters who are showing an ugly side but I think this has been over reported and sensationalised by the media.

Could it be that the through-the-election-Saint Hillary press is still proving they were right all along?

Where a biased few choose the candidate and ask the majority to vote? That's not democracy. Not even close.

Are you referring to how it is done in Australia where for most parties the members do not get to decide but the 'executive'?

Or when the local branches get a vote - the result is over-turned by the State head office?

Why when one Councillor abstains from voting for the Mayoral election (in their Council area) gets kicked out of the party within 3 weeks in 2015 but in another Council - a Councillor (from the same party and friends with the future party secretary) not only ignores the party's candidate (chosen by that party's Councillors) but votes for himself with the support of the other two parties - to become mayor.

And the political party DOES NOTHING...

Animal Farm rules!!