2016 US Presidential Election and Fallout

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Who is Michael Moore, other than looking like a clown with a red nose?

And why should anyone give a rat's bottom?

Agree. Hate it when celebrities think that we should give a toss what they think.

Sometimes I think Cate Blanchett thinks she is actually Queen Elizabeth I.

Although if George Clooney got a gig....
 
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In 4 years time there will be another US election. If there are no extenuating world events happening come US election time in 2020 the reaction of markets is likely to be similar to what we have just seen - and it has nothing to do with intrinsic values.

Since election day gold is down over $US100 to $1224; AUD is down at 75.4c, ASX200 is up at 5371 and S&P500 is up at 2164.

Ask yourself why these are all opposite to what nearly all the experts predicted. If you can be objective you may save some money or make some - all in just a few days.
 
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Yes, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? The markets, like the polls were betting on / predicting a Clinton win. Therefore with Trump winning, not only do shorts have to be covered but the market responds to Trumps agenda, pushing it the same way as short covering. Part of that agenda is infrastructure, hence the improvement in many metals stocks, at least.

but any momentum in metals due to Trump will probably be overtaken by supply and demand pretty soon. For instance, a lot of copper's recent surge is due to low warehouse stocks.
 
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Long post so probably too much to respond too, but picking this bit in particular, if the EU is more important than US for Chinese exports then it doesn't seem as big a threat as Trump is making it seem like.


Not quite.

China needs the US. China's exports to the US are very low-value added but keep the factories' producing. Cut Chinese consumer electronic exports by 20-25% = BAD news and could bring on the Chinese debt implosion that the ratings agencies/pundits/strategists have been talking about. That is why China was taking no chances on who won the US election and radically toughened up capital controls in the last 10 weeks to stop the money fleeing China.

The US does not need China.
 
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Yes, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? The markets, like the polls were betting on / predicting a Clinton win....

I would go further. Most of the popular press were betting/barracking for Clinton so much that they weren't even contemplating a Trump win. This has further contributed to both the "surprise" and the market's recent behaviour.
 
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I would go further. Most of the popular press were betting/barracking for Clinton so much that they weren't even contemplating a Trump win. This has further contributed to both the "surprise" and the market's recent behaviour.

A "deplorables" situation leading to the unimaginable! Makes coming up with sound evidence-based conclusions a tad difficult. :D
 
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Frankly I have been quietly chuckling to myself for the past few days.

The amount of emotion, and diatribe associated with the Trump victory (whether for it or against it) has been quite a bit more than I expected. I remember when Obama got in, and it made headlines, but not like TRUMP.
 
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Yes, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? The markets, like the polls were betting on / predicting a Clinton win. Therefore with Trump winning, not only do shorts have to be covered but the market responds to Trumps agenda, pushing it the same way as short covering. Part of that agenda is infrastructure, hence the improvement in many metals stocks, at least.

but any momentum in metals due to Trump will probably be overtaken by supply and demand pretty soon. For instance, a lot of copper's recent surge is due to low warehouse stocks.

My comments only applied to a very short time frame so political agendas, supply and demand and intrinsic values (whatever they really are) etc. don’t have sufficient time to have any influence on market behaviour. In the medium or longer term people go back to the facts and figures and everything reverts to “business as usual”.

Not surprisingly, it’s very hard for most people to get their head around the idea that for a few days either side of events such as the US Presidential Election both fundamental and technical analysis mean virtually zilch, but that is what actually happens.

During that short period behavioural traits (emotions?) over-ride pragmatic (what many call rational) considerations. If you specify the alternative scenarios (i.e. either Clinton wins or Trump wins) and then profile the likely behaviours of the market participants for each of them, and ignore everything else, and trade accordingly (but don’t forget your “stops” JIC), you detach yourself from getting influenced incorrectly by all the talk that carries absolutely no weight.

This is a repeatable phenomenon – markets go defensive because of uncertainty ahead of an event and generally then quickly accept the decision, either way, and unravel those defensive positions in the aftermath. The disclaimer is that if uncertainty persists, such as a “hung” result or some other event gets superimposed or the problem turns out to be worse than anticipated (e.g. Greece), then all bets are off.

Interestingly, in this particular US event the end result was always likely to be the same - just via slightly different routes.

If Clinton wins, as even I expected, the stock markets would have moved up without the initial free fall we saw on Wednesday. When Trump started polling much better than expected (whoopee!), predictably fear took over because people had been conditioned to fear the ramifications of him winning, and the markets tumbled initially. Also of interest is the fact that our ASX200 often drops between 200 and 300 points in those situations, as it did on Wednesday, before buyers recognise the opportunity and jump in to reverse the direction. So once it’s obvious what’s happening you can often get 150 – 200 points going short. Then it's "long" once the reversal is obvious.

Traders probably quickly realised that if the media & “experts” got the result so wrong then maybe they also got the ramifications of a Trump victory wrong too. All of a sudden people recognised the predictable buying opportunity and after only a few hours the market was rocketing up again. Try and rationalise that with TA or FA!
 
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Who is Michael Moore?

Documentary Film maker - surely you've heard of/watched one of these: "Bowling For Columbine", "Fahreheit 9/11", "Sicko", "War On Terror", Trumpland (his latest movie). He did predict many months ago (whilst filming his latest documentary Trumpland) that Trump would win.
 
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Do Americans actually understand the concept of democracy?
 
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Well I certainly wouldn't have voted for him, and I do share some of the concerns people have. But I don't agree with all the protests and hand-wringing from the losing side. Their having protests in Melbourne and Perth, as if that's of any use to anything at all. Ridiculous.

Trump will not be able to follow through with a lot of the things he promised. The Mexican wall for example. But he may end up being a catalyst for some good things for the US. Who knows.

And if it all goes to potty the conservative side of US politics won't be able to hang any blame on the progressies this time. They have the White House, Congress, and the Senate all stitched up for the next two years at least.

Let's all just see what happens and then pass judgement.
 
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Do Americans actually understand the concept of democracy?

Depends on the definition of democracy.I like this one by Bertrand Russell-
Democracy is the process by which people choose the man who'll get the blame.

George Orwell is a little more cynical-
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning
 
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Yes, the hypocrisy is stunning.
 
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Well I certainly wouldn't have voted for him, and I do share some of the concerns people have. But I don't agree with all the protests and hand-wringing from the losing side. Their having protests in Melbourne and Perth, as if that's of any use to anything at all. Ridiculous.

Unfortunately we have our own set of muppets in NZ trying to 'make a stand' etc here. I think a bit of pushing but mostly a bit of shouting. I was wishing it was Monday tomorrow so they could all just go back to their day time jobs. Either that or buy themselves tickets to the US to join the protests there if they feel so strongly. I'm quite happy to let the prime minister deal with Trump. I mean all of the world leaders are going to try it seems even the Mexican president and I think it's because they want the best outcome for their own countries and you can only do that if you are on terms where you can communicate. This doesn't involve jumping up and down and shouting - that leads to stand offs and wars etc. Nobody really wants more of that cough. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer!
 
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Trump will not be able to follow through with a lot of the things he promised. The Mexican wall for example. But he may end up being a catalyst for some good things for the US. Who knows.

Whilst some of the comment made by Ross Gittins in fairfax press today do condescend towards Trump voters, I think he sums it up pretty well with following:

The business and political establishment is still running the place, still ensuring their interests are put ahead of those of the lesser mortals silly enough to vote for Trump.Now Trump has no choice but to turn to them, seeking their help in running the joint and implementing his brave plan to put them and their paymasters back in their box.
They'll be falling over themselves to help - and mould the egotistical Trump to their masters' will.
 
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Do Americans actually understand the concept of democracy?

The silent majority does


Trump : the first billionaire to move into Public Housing

Clinton lead in popular vote now ~ 35000. As they say "within the margin of error". How many of those were votes from illegals?
 
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