2016 US Presidential Election and Fallout

[amaroo]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

What has that got anything to do with anything?? In areas where they already had the numbers, they got more!! Woohoo!! They are also the places that Trump didn't even bother with because it was a lost cause. It just highlights the fact that they don't understand the basics of warfare. Patting themselves on the back because they managed to get all those extra people out there.. and used all those extra people there to get more out there.. wow. Ever heard the saying "won the battle but lost the war"?

*Mindboggling*

You win the popular vote in the inner city however, you get flogged like a dead horse everywhere else.

Democracy - is a beautifully thing!

 

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

You talk rubbish. Only 80k votes in 3 states gave Mr Trump the college.

Not me talking rubbish sunshine.Those are the figures.
There were 3 states that Clinton won where the total lead in the states was <60,000.
Trump won 30 states,Clinton 20.
Republicans control the house and senate.
Republicans have total control of 25 states,the democrats only 6.

Whichever way you slice it the Democrats lost.Get over it.Amazing how everyone was slamming Trump when he said he might not accept the result.So what is different now?
All the excuses without accepting any of the blame for a poor candidate.

The vote was rigged so let's support the Recount started by the Green Party.Oh no the only massive rigging occurred in Detroit where there were more votes than voters and Hiliary got 90% of the votes.

Now it's the nasty Russians hacking the DNC-except the FBI first discovered that in June 2015 before Trump was even a candidate.They traced that to a group associated with Russian intelligence.Then the DNC was hacked again by the Russians in March this year when Podesta gave them his Google password.But it was a different arm of Russian intelligence unaware of the first hacking-so much for a coordinated attack in support of Trump.Especially when it is known Putin hated Hiliary for her comments on the Russian election in 2011.He blamed her for inciting Russian dissidents.

Trump won because his campaign was better targeted at the swing states.

 

[Quickstatus]

Strange that "intel officials" will brief NBC but will not brief the House Intelligence committee because the Inquiry is not complete.
Intel agencies reject request for House committee briefing, citing larger probe | TheHill

The swamp is deeper than anyone thought

Snowden was a baby of the left. Protected by the Russians.
And now same crowd complain that new Sec of State is too close to the Russians?.

And the Left is getting apoplectic about Trump appointing a Sec of State who may be too close to Putin?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JHpiMv3Sy8Q

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

FBI confirming CIA accusations that Russia was helping the Trump Campaign to win the Presidency.

FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.a398634c1500

 

[vetrade]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The Obamas aren't being booted out of the White House a minute too soon if this pathetically childish drivel from the mouth of the soon-to-be ex first lady is anything to go by:

(CNN)Following the election of Donald Trump, Michelle Obama said many Americans now know what it's like not to have hope.



"We feel the difference now. See, now, we are feeling what not having hope feels like," she told Oprah Winfrey in an interview, a clip for which aired on CBS on Friday. "Hope is necessary. It's a necessary concept and Barack didn't just talk about hope because he thought it was just a nice slogan to get votes."


"He and I and so many believe that -- what else do you have if you don't have hope," the first lady added. "What do you give your kids if you can't give them hope?"


Obama said she believes her husband gave Americans something to believe in when challenges arose.


"I feel Barack has been that for the nation in ways that people will come to appreciate. Having a grown-up in the White House who can say to you in times of crisis and turmoil, 'Hey, it's going to be okay. Let's remember the good things that we have,'" she said.

 

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Obama knew the Russians had hacked the DNC in June 2015.The FBI told the DNC it had been hacked.
The Russians hacked the DNC again in March 2016.Again Obama knew.
In October he spoke about it publicly-

On Friday, the Obama administration publicly acknowledged for the first time that it believed that the Russian government was responsible for stealing and disclosing emails from the Democratic National Committee and a range of other institutions and prominent individuals, most recently Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John D. Podesta. The emails were posted on the well-known WikiLeaks site and two newer sites, DCLeaks.com and Guccifer 2.0.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/obama-russia-hack-election.html?_r=0

Yet a week later he said this about hackers affecting the Election result-

"I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history, any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place. It is unprecedented. It happens to be based on no fact. Every expert regardless of political party... who has ever examined these issues in a serious way will tell you that instances of significant voter fraud are not to be found. Keep in mind elections are run by state and local officials."

"That is both irresponsible and, by the way, doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness you'd want from a president," he also said. "You start whining before the game is even over? If whenever things are going badly for you and you lose, you start blaming somebody else. Than you don't have what it takes to be in this job."

"There is no serious person out there who would suggest that you could even rig America's elections, in part because they are so decentralized. There is no evidence that that has happened in the past, or that there are instances that that could happen this time," he said.

Obama to Trump: "Stop Whining" About A Rigged Election | Video | RealClearPolitics

Note the part I have highlighted.He and Hilary should take his advice.

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Hilary's secret server was not hacked but the Democrats were hacked?

Obama did nothing about it before the election but complains about it now?

So Russians steal Democrats emails and therefore the whole election was rigged?.

Ah I get it! Everyone wins and gets to go home with a trophy!.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Please please be nice and give us back our underwater drone that you stole in an "unpresidented" act!

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Ah! and anyone who has never made a 'typo" may cast the first stone!

In any event he did not say that, nor was he nice about it:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 15h15 hours ago China steals United States Navy research drone in international waters - rips it out of water and takes it to China in unprecedented act.


And he actually said that China should keep it:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 4h4 hours ago We should tell China that we don't want the drone they stole back.- let them keep it!

 

[GarrettM]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

He did say this though.

 

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Please please be nice and give us back our underwater drone that you stole in an "unpresidented" act!

Seems they are in the habit of stealing things-
https://www.ft.com/content/1a0fbcd0-b2e5-11e6-9c37-5787335499a0

Hong Kong has seized a shipment of Singaporean armoured personnel carriers that was in transit from Taiwan to Singapore, in an embarrassing incident that analysts warn could put Singaporean military secrets at risk.

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Now it seems that J Assange is saying the DNC email servers were not hacked but leaked.

Directly contradicting the CIA/FBI/Obama/ etc etc etc.
How does leaking/hacking emails help a presidential candidate?

The US elections are widely decentralised. Voting is within County within a State. Each county organises the county ballot and the way it is conducted.
To say the Russians were able to turn 2600 counties red and majority of states red is fanciful in the least
And many of the states and counties who voted Trump would be your quintessential anti Russian "red neck

 

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

And here is a retired judge talking in early August about the hacking blaming the NSA not the Russians-
[video=youtube_share;a9xgcR4yF5Y]https://youtu.be/a9xgcR4yF5Y[/video]

And this is the retired NSA official known to be a friend of the judge-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)

And then there is the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan who claims he was the one who received the emails from the DNC.He is a known colleague of Julian Assange-
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/russian-bear-uses-keyboard/#respond

I am about twenty four hours behind on debunking the “evidence” of Russian hacking of the DNC because I have only just stopped laughing. I was sent last night the “crowdstrike” report, paid for by the Democratic National Committee, which is supposed to convince us. The New York Times today made this “evidence” its front page story.
It appears from this document that, despite himself being a former extremely competent KGB chief, Vladimir Putin has put Inspector Clouseau in charge of Russian security and left him to get on with it. The Russian Bear has been the symbol of the country since the 16th century. So we have to believe that the Russian security services set up top secret hacking groups identifying themselves as “Cozy Bear” and “Fancy Bear”. Whereas no doubt the NSA fronts its hacking operations by a group brilliantly disguised as “The Flaming Bald Eagles”, GCHQ doubtless hides behind “Three Lions on a Keyboard” and the French use “Marianne Snoops”.

The Keystone Cops portrayal of one of the world’s most clinically efficient intelligence services is of a piece with the anti-Russian racism which has permeated the Democratic Party rhetoric for quite some time. Frankly nobody in what is vaguely their right mind would believe this narrative.
It is not that “Cozy Bear”, “Fancy Bear” and “Guccifer2” do not exist. It is that they are not agents of the Russian government and not the source of the DNC documents. Guccifer2 is understood in London to be the fairly well known amusing bearded Serbian who turns up at parties around Camden under the (assumed) name of Gavrilo Princip.

 

[amaroo]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Another leftie demand/theory/thought bubble/delusion/HOPE treated with the contempt it deserves :mrgreen:

[h=1]Donald Trump cruises to Electoral College victory[/h]

An effort by anti-Trump forces to persuade Republican electors to abandon the president-elect came to practically nothing and the process unfolded largely according to its traditions. Mr Trump’s polarising victory on November 8 and the fact Democrat Hillary Clinton had won the national popular vote had stirred an intense lobbying effort, but to no avail.

With several states still voting, Trump had 304 votes and Clinton had 169. It takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the presidency. Texas put Mr Trump over the top

 

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

I have to say I have learnt a lot about US politics with this election.Another fact today-the Electoral College voters are picked by the Candidate who won the State-no wonder there are so few defectors.And why the campaign to influence the vote shows how little most in the USA know about their own system thinking they could change their vote.So only 2 Republicans changed their vote but at least 4 Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/us/politics/electoral-college-vote.html?_r=0

But it is not the Russians bringing the US voting system into dispute the anti-Trump protestors are doing a great job on that front-
Pro-Donald Trump Electoral College voters receive death threats - CNN Video

The EC electors in Pennsylvannia were each given police protection after death threats-
Pennsylvania electors will have police protection at vote | TheHill

 

[Isochronous]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Great day today. Less than a month to go of that obnoxious imposter Obama.

Trump isn't even in the White House yet and he is being more effective and presidential than Obama has ever managed to be. The temper tantrums by the left and the Democrats reveal themselves to be the cancer on American democracy that they always have been during the past 20 years.

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Trump once did say this.

Donald J. Trump Verified account ‏@realDonaldTrump

Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?

• Retweets 52,562
• Likes 39,659

8:17 pm - 18 Jun 2013

 

[Happy Trails]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Please please be nice and give us back our underwater drone that you stole in an "unpresidented" act!

[FONT=&amp]China has handed back an American underwater drone it seized from international waters in the contentious South China Sea.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Beijing’s defence ministry said it returned the unmanned vehicle after “friendly consultations”.
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China returns seized US Navy underwater drone after 'friendly consultations' | The Independent

 

[drron]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

A new favourite headline on the election-
The Lesser of Two Weevils Won.

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The hypocrisy of the left abounds.
Democrats had more faithless electors than Republicans.
While leftist protestors wail about "voting with your conscience", in their own camp, they had at least 4 faithless electors who tried to not vote for Hilary but they were not allowed to vote with their conscience.

Clinton said angry white men voted for Trump. I wonder Did angry black men vote for Obama? Oh! That's not allowed - that would be racist hate speech.

Why did Hilary lose - not Hilary's fault. It's Trump and his angry white men, It's Putin for getting Russians hands on Democrat emails after Podesta was loose with password. It's FBI director Comey for reopening Email server investigation after it was linked with sexting Weiner. It's Abedin - she put up walls around Hilary and behaved like a celebrity - I thought celebrities were an essential tool of Democrat's election campaign. No wonder Hilary lost with more popular vote!!!.

Americans did not get a Californian president. They got an American President, just how the framers of their Constitution intended - a plurality of votes in a plurality of states. And the majority of voters did not actually vote - maybe they did not care who got in?.