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Are EI's proposed flights between MAN and BOS/JFK/MCO considered fifth freedom?
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Aer Lingus seeks permission for UK-US routes

Ireland’s flag carrier hopes to begin three routes from the UK to Boston, New York and Orlando during summer 2021 using Airbus A330-300 and A321LR aircraft.
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AIRwin said:
Finnair's Fifth Freedom Flights?
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Finnair to open intercontinental markets from Sweden

Airline steps in to restore direct routes to Thailand and the US from Arlanda.
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Technically I'm not sure these flights qualify? Fifth freedom allows an airline to fly between two countries as long as the flight originates or terminates in its home country. In this case Finnair is originating and departing in Sweden, not Finland, and this is prolly more due to EU agreements rather than fifth freedom.
 
AIRwin said:
Fixed - Finnair's Faux Fifth Freedom Flights
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Still, there could be some interesting AY J fares ex-Europe but not originating in ARN. Not that we can take advantage of them….
 
SYD said:
Still, there could be some interesting AY J fares ex-Europe but not originating in ARN. Not that we can take advantage of them….
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Will be interesting to see how they price it. Traditionally TG charged a fairly hefty premium on its flights ex Scandinavia. They also had premium economy on that route using the second J class cabin, offering flat bed and upgraded economy soft product. But the fare was almost the same as business class. AY's J service to thailand pre-covid was usually some sort of reduced offering 'reflecting the leisure market'. That might fit right in if they decide to continue it and price it competitively.
 
I think AY treated it like the Sin flights with SE Asian 'contract Cabin Crew but still in the A350. The evening meal in J was a reduced offering all on one tray. But you still got their latest J seats for a very good price.
 
SQ will be relaunching flights between TPE and LAX on 25 August...
 
AIRwin said:

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British Airways will soon pick up Qatar's old GRU-EZE tag flight. BA LHR-GRU-EZE flights to begin from 31 October 2021.
 
Fifth freedom between BKK and LGW?

Scoot announces London Gatwick

Looks like Scoot is fufilling Tony Fernandes AirAsia X dream of opening up Europe to Long Haul Low Cost from Asia. This adds to their current network of Berlin and Athens. I caught one of the first AAX flights to Stansted and look forward to flying Scoot to Gatwick. The advantage of Scoot is...
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gilldo said:
Brexit or not - it's definitely a fifth freedom flight.

Aer Lingus is an Irish airline - the Republic of Ireland
MAN - Manchester, UK (a different country)
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Brexit is irrelevant
Would be seventh freedom if it doesn't stop in Ireland (as would the Finnair flights above)
 
andye said:
Brexit is irrelevant
Would be seventh freedom if it doesn't stop in Ireland (as would the Finnair flights above)
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I was wondering about the issue of the EU. The technical definition of fifth freedom seems to be the ‘granting by one state to another state’ [the right to fly between them and a third party]. If a member of the EU, is one state granting the right, or is it simply a byproduct of the union. A technicality, I know!
 

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