A Complete, Updated List of Fifth-Freedom Routes

[MEL_Traveller]

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May be a wet lease. Is usual

Oman Air - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

QR403 - Qatar Airways QR 403 Flight Tracker

QR403 Flight Tracker - Track the real-time flight status of Qatar Airways QR 403 live using the FlightStats Global Flight Tracker. See if your flight has been delayed or cancelled and track the live position on a map.

www.flightstats.com

Strange arrangement… looking at flightaware for tomorrow it says the QR403 is being operated by an A50-1000… which I don’t think Oman has. I wonder if this is still some thing about Qatar not being allowed to fly to certain countries..l or has that been resolved?

 

[Mattg]

Strange arrangement… looking at flightaware for tomorrow it says the QR403 is being operated by an A50-1000… which I don’t think Oman has. I wonder if this is still some thing about Qatar not being allowed to fly to certain countries..l or has that been resolved?

It's just a wet lease arrangement.

Book One Airline, Fly Another: The World of Wet Leasing

Wet leasing is typically used when airlines are temporarily short on planes or don't have a suitable aircraft type for a particular route.

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[AIRwin]

Looks like Scoot has delinked ATH and BER

Both routes reconsolidated:

Scoot NW23 Europe Service Changes — AeroRoutes

Published at 0800GMT 25JUL23 Scoot in Northern winter 2023/24 season is consolidating service in Europe, as the airline schedules Singapore – Athens – Berlin routing from 30OCT23 and 29MAR24, instead of nonstop terminator for both Athens and Berlin. Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner to operate this rout

www.aeroroutes.com

 

[Kiwibrit62]

KLM - SINGAPORE / JAKARTA

 

[anyonebutqantas]

KLM - SINGAPORE / JAKARTA

I knew they flew SIN-DPS, is SIN-CGK a new service or a switchover from DPS?

 

[jase05]

I knew they flew SIN-DPS, is SIN-CGK a new service or a switchover from DPS?

They were doing SIN-DPS and KUL-CGK so looks like they are swapping KUL-CGK to SIN-CGK
Whatever the case they are a brilliant option for those short hops and have some great prices

 

[Kiwibrit62]

Defo both routes, as I took them in the past few weeks. Bargain if using VS points too

 

[AFF Editor]

KLM - SINGAPORE / JAKARTA

Thanks.

Looks like the KUL-CGK flight is now KUL-MNL. Have updated the list.

 

[anyonebutqantas]

Thanks.

Looks like the KUL-CGK flight is now KUL-MNL. Have updated the list.

Makes for an interesting QFF redemption.

 

[jase05]

Thanks.

Looks like the KUL-CGK flight is now KUL-MNL. Have updated the list.

Perhaps seasonal?
Can’t find it after October 29th

 

[AIRwin]

Fifth freedom between SGN and PNH on QR?

Qatar Airways Resumes Phnom Penh Service From late-Oct 2023 — AeroRoutes

Published at 0800GMT 12SEP23 Qatar Airways at the launch of Northern winter 2023/24 season resumes service to Cambodia, as the airline extends 1 of 2 daily Doha – Ho Chi Minh City service to Phnom Penh , effective 29OCT23. Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to operate this route. QR970 DOH0200 – 1310SG

www.aeroroutes.com

 

[blandy62]

They were doing SIN-DPS and KUL-CGK so looks like they are swapping KUL-CGK to SIN-CGK
Whatever the case they are a brilliant option for those short hops and have some great prices

long time ago they had daily SIN-JKT on 747. Then it moved to KUL-JKY and they introduced daily SIN-DPS. And if I am not mistaken MNL was served via TPE without 5th freedom

so now they will have KUL-MNL and the service to SIN to go to DPS or JKT depending on the day

 

[anyonebutqantas]

Fifth freedom between SGN and PNH on QR?

Qatar Airways Resumes Phnom Penh Service From late-Oct 2023 — AeroRoutes

Published at 0800GMT 12SEP23 Qatar Airways at the launch of Northern winter 2023/24 season resumes service to Cambodia, as the airline extends 1 of 2 daily Doha – Ho Chi Minh City service to Phnom Penh , effective 29OCT23. Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to operate this route. QR970 DOH0200 – 1310SG

www.aeroroutes.com

Nice to see it coming back. Occasionally you could get a SGN-PNH fare to price via DOH at an attractive price.

 

[AIRwin]

Fifth freedom between SYD and AKL on MU?

China Eastern Expands Oceania Network in NW23 — AeroRoutes

Published at 0200GMT 28SEP23 China Eastern as of Wednesday 27SEP23 opened reservation for additional routes to Australia and New Zealand for Northern winter 2023/24 season, including previously announced service resumption on Shanghai – Brisbane route. Hangzhou – Auckland – Sydney – Hangzhou e

www.aeroroutes.com

 

[evanb]

The economics of fifth freedom flights to/from Australia is complex, with fifth freedom carriers at a distinct disadvantage to incumbent home carriers. A new analysis from Analytic Flying looks at Australian fifth freedom routes in more detail (specific emphasis on Trans Tasman) and analyses why they are relatively underutilised:

What limits fifth freedom flights to Australia? - Analytic Flying

Last week, there was an interesting exchange on social media regarding the granting of fifth freedom rights on routes to/from Australia. The discussion stemmed from the controversial decision by the Australian government to block access to additional market access for QR which we have discussed...

analyticflying.com

 

[henrus]

Fifth freedom between SYD and AKL on MU?

Looks like this is going ahead with seats for sale across the tasman, it looks like QF benefits don’t apply as that just flights between Australia and mainland china?

 

[evanb]

Looks like this is going ahead with seats for sale across the tasman, it looks like QF benefits don’t apply as that just flights between Australia and mainland china?

For what it's worth, the current ACCC authorisation (which expires in March 2024 anyway) only allowed QF and MU coordination between China and Australia, not on onward connections beyond Australia.

 

[Kiwi_Flyer]

Air Asia X is changing akl-syd-kul to akl-ool-kul.

 

[henrus]

Air Asia X is changing akl-syd-kul to akl-ool-kul.

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it KUL-OOL-AKL before they had the Sydney stop.

Flying AKL-SYD earlier this year on Air Asia it was about 70% full but 99% of that was down the back with only two in the flatbeds and a handful in the quiet zone.

That being said almost everyone onboard was just flying AKL-SYD with very few actually continuing to KUL, perhaps they’ve realised slots/airport fees etc are better from the Gold Coast or total tin foil hat they’re now getting a QLD or QAL subsidy. Air Asia is now the only wide body operator to the Gold Coast and those terminal expansions that QAL did are looking a little silly now.

 

[Mwenenzi]

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it KUL-OOL-AKL before they had the Sydney stop.

Flying AKL-SYD earlier this year on Air Asia it was about 70% full but 99% of that was down the back with only two in the flatbeds and a handful in the quiet zone.

That being said almost everyone onboard was just flying AKL-SYD with very few actually continuing to KUL, perhaps they’ve realised slots/airport fees etc are better from the Gold Coast or total tin foil hat they’re now getting a QLD or QAL subsidy. Air Asia is now the only wide body operator to the Gold Coast and those terminal expansions that QAL did are looking a little silly now.

Yes. Before CV19 was OOL-AKL. Was SYD – AKL from 01 Nov 2022. (after CV19) That ends 31 Jan 2024. Then OOL-AKL from 03 Feb 2024.

AirAsia X halts Auckland-Sydney service

AirAsia X is suspending its Auckland-to-Sydney service in favour of trips to the Gold Coast instead.

www.rnz.co.nz