A rude and devious roo.. why would you bother?

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Well we began long haul flying in 1980.Then it was always QF in Y.We enjoyed our experiences,they even held a plane for us at LAX in 1984 for us when we were flying in from BOS on UA.For ease of a quick getaway we were allocated the seats at the door Y pax boarded.fantastic.
Then in the mid to late 80s we began to fly more to Asia.By the 90s we realised we could fly much cheaper on the Asian airlines than on QF.It was around about then we became more aware of FF points.Realised that it would be good joining Golden Wings so we could get points flying SQ and TJ.Beginning of 94 joined up mrsdrron to life GW and I got life QP-one turned out to be not too good the other one of the best investments I made.
Late 90s it was mucg easier to get awards on A* than QF so our major CC was the GW DC.500000 points went down the gurgler late 2001.
By then the J bug had bitten and our son moved to Loftap.Soon worked out that flying JAL BNE-JFK was half the price of QF.Could get QF points only BNE-NRT but AA miles all the way.So we moved to Aadvantage.Then when an opup J-F on an Aaward sealed us.So not a QF rusted on flyer.Quite the opposite.
However soon realised we would do better splitting the programs so mrsdrron moved back to QFF.Since her becoming WP we have got awards within days of preferred date,100% on point upgrades to F so certainly cant complain.Moral of the story-loyalty is a 2 way street.

The one very valid point is the J award farce.However AFFers should know this and always check.It has gone on for way too long and QF should fix it NOW.
 
Holy cough! I'm calling the fire brigade as im sure tgh is on fire with all this flaming.

Finally .. a sense of humour.. lot of people taking themselves very seriously round here..
I'm used to the mob attacks . it's the price of an independent mind...anyway I have quite enjoyed the cheap shots.
the t stands for teflon.....
 
Finally .. a sense of humour.. lot of people taking themselves very seriously round here..
I'm used to the mob attacks . it's the price of an independent mind...anyway I have quite enjoyed the cheap shots.
the t stands for teflon.....

Independent? Try illogical.

1. You want the same availability of award seats as those that fly regularly with Qantas. As others have said loyalty is a two way street. Move up through the membership tiers and see what happens.

2. You profess a dislike of Qantas but you own their shares.

I believe the 't' stands for troll. I hope you've enjoyed your fishing expedition. Your logic wasn't that sound but somehow I don't think that bothers you too much.
 
The one very valid point is the J award farce.However AFFers should know this and always check.It has gone on for way too long and QF should fix it NOW.

Yep. Absolute shocker for this. The problem is most people are not AFFers and will get tricked by it. I don't think QF will fix this anytime soon.
 
I'm used to the mob attacks . it's the price of an independent mind...anyway I have quite enjoyed the cheap shots.
the t stands for teflon.....

I think the T stands for potentially quite a few other things - just a shame it doesn't stand for smug arrogant superiority complex...

I have no idea what actual point you are trying to make - is that you think people who don't actually fly much on qantas and its partners should be treated the same as people that do? It is a loyalty program remember...
 
Still basking in the warmth of a recent trip to Europe with emirates, I have been playing the points roulette game with the roo, only to find that on the rare occasion a bullet appears in the chamber .. it is a dud.
The lack of availability for plebs, while a deceit in marketing , is well known .. but it's the arrogance of programming the search engine to offer and attempt charge for economy legs on a J award that takes the cake.


Sorry but I think giving silver gold and plats greater access to award flights is a great move. Reward the people who fly with you most.

I do hate the J = Y on some flights but it also works the other way too.
 
Interesting thread.

I fly Qantas quite a lot but then domestically for me there isn't much choice. Yes VA and JQ also service my routes but the offering is not as good.

Sometimes though good things happen and I have been able to book a Oneworld award for myself in 2007 and a Oneworld award for both myself and my father in 2009. I don't mind travelling economy and the availability is reasonable. I am also flexible.

I now have enough for another 4 Oneworld and I am looking forward to the time where I will be able to travel.

And yes I do agree that Qantas are not the best but there are many airlines out there that are not quite as good either....
 
When searching for a booking eg; MEL-LAX (J)
And the search comes back;
MEL-SYD (J)
SYD-LAX (Y)
Charged J award price, that is a blatant rip off.

Couldn't agree more. It also happens on MEL-LHR
J to SIN then Y to LHR or worse still, J to SYD then Y all the way.
At full J redemption.
The "warning" that you'll be in Y is written in extremely small print.

This has only been happening since the QFF "changes", so I complained TWICE to the ACCC! No joy as QF warn you before you click. Huh!
As everyone says - I need to fly more and get up to Silver or Gold.
 
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Couldn't agree more. It also happens on MEL-LHR
J to SIN then Y to LHR or worse still, J to SYD then Y all the way.
At full J redemption.
The "warning" that you'll be in Y is written in extremely small print.

This has only been happening since the QFF "changes", so I complained TWICE to the ACCC! No joy as QF warn you before you click. Huh!
As everyone says - I need to fly more and get up to Silver or Gold.

What changes? It's been dong it for some time, at least 2 years I think
 
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Yeah, poor tgh is entitled to a rant and we're up to 4 pages of retaliation!!

I believe it was the 'logic' behind the rant that was being questioned as opposed to the right to have said rant.
 
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What changes? It's been dong it for some time, at least 2 years I think

Is it 2 years? Surely not!
The J/Y switch has only be happening to me since last winter and I've been a QFFer for at least 8 years. Never more than bronze. Wonder why they let me off for so long?
 
All I can say is WOW.

There is a LOT of hating going on here for some reason. I wonder if the OP was made by a more established member would the criticism be the same. The OP has been a member for a long time though.

Anyway. I think most of your points are actually valid and I think spot on.

The issue of rewards being available only to premium fliers for the most part is actually a bit of a double edge sword in some respects. If you have no status with QF and take maybe only a few flights a year with no prospect of gaining status then the odds are stacked against you for getting an upgrade or an award seat.

On that basis, why would you show Qantas any loyalty each year. Why not just go for the cheapest carrier?
 
All I can say is WOW.

There is a LOT of hating going on here for some reason. I wonder if the OP was made by a more established member would the criticism be the same. The OP has been a member for a long time though.

Anyway. I think most of your points are actually valid and I think spot on.

The issue of rewards being available only to premium fliers for the most part is actually a bit of a double edge sword in some respects. If you have no status with QF and take maybe only a few flights a year with no prospect of gaining status then the odds are stacked against you for getting an upgrade or an award seat.

On that basis, why would you show Qantas any loyalty each year. Why not just go for the cheapest carrier?

Any Seat Awards. Anyone can get them, you just need the points.
 
I must be living under a rock, while I ( and Mrs GPH) have not racked up the serious FF miles some of you have. We too have had " ordinary " experiences. Emirates has been a mixed bag for us, +1 won't get on an EK flight again, and that was after flying in J. We Just had a QF flight from AKL to BNE in J. Lots of problems conspired to try and make it a bad experience. One hour Delay on departure due to late arrival of connection, followed by mid air delay as a result of bad weather in BNE But the cabin crew across the board were friendly, efficient and generous in nature and it was a real pleasure to fly. All up I got home 2 hours late, but frankly very happy with the whole experience.
I have decided to give up choosing a carrier purely on price as in my experience, you can pay too much, but you can also pay too little. So for now QF does it for me. I reserve the right however to have an hysterical rant at some point in the future if things go to custard.
 
But a lot more points than a classic award, which will probably exclude the majority of annual leisure travellers.
 
Interesting thread.

Indeed!

hmm .. well about the result I expected with my deliberately inflammatory grammar ... it was a tiny little bit tongue in cheek... but never mind.

Normally, I don't bite on threads like this, but..

AFF is, after all , a very qantas friendly site , populated with truly genuine, true blue Qantas frequent flyers, so I guess I didn't expect much/any sympathy.

Allow me to give you a perspective on this - and I'm not especially QF-friendly. QF haven't given me any reason to be.

Premium awards on many carriers are hard to come by - QF are hardly unique in this sense. It's fairly well accepted that very frequent flyers generally get access to better award availability. What I'm struggling with is .. why is it you're complaining? From your posts, in relation to QF:

The product is second rate
I may eventually pay to fly with Qantas to New York this year.. but I won't be a happy camper.

..and in relation to EK:

Still basking in the warmth of a recent trip to Europe with emirates
We found the Emirates long haul j product so much better than the comparable QF product that there really was/is no comparison.

I get wanting to rant, but it's not going to change anything or do anything productive. If you're happier with another carrier ... perhaps just fly with them instead? I shifted my travel across to another carrier because I felt that I was being looked after better by them .. much as it seems EK looks after you better. Why look back and get all nostalgic and upset - in this day and age of a "global village", ain't nothing special about "flag carriers" these days anyway.

Another thing -- I don't understand why you'd want to use QF points on QF J if you find it sub-par? Do what I did; use your points on CX metal instead! If nothing else, the availability is far better.
 
Ooohhhh! Another AFF gung bung. Can I join in?

I have not been caught by the Y/J switcherooney because I haven't booked a J Award since they went to double Y points, but I am annoyed by the sneakiness of it all. There is also absolutely NO reason for Qantas not to pro-rata the points if all they can offer is a mixed cabin itinerary. Daylight robbery!

But I also have issue with the fact that some points are more equal than others. A platinum FF gets a 100% points bonus over a NB, and also better access to seats so is more likely to get classic awards while the NB is forced to use anyseat points. So a platinum that shadows a bronze FF and racks up the same number of points on their credit card is getting 2-3 times the value back from the QFF program. Yes it is a "frequent flyer" program but I think Qantas needs to make it clear that things are so heavily skewed towards rewarding the elite, and your ability to get good value back from your points is linked to your status.

It's just a little bit un-Australian, is it not?
 
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