A tale of two children (in J)

[Hvr]

I've tried on almost ever plane in Y and rarely found one

I've always found it on the aisle seat. Ask the FA for assistance, they're there to help.

 

[drron]

I'm well over 6 foot and can get out without touching the seat in front.

No one has to expect movement of their seat. If the person in front reclines the option is for the person behind to do so as well. There is zero loss of space in front of the chest or face. (I accept there might be some loss of legroom in seats where the seat pan moves forward, but I haven't noticed that.)

If the person behind chooses not to recline, they are choosing to accept the inconvenience.

But I cannot see that generating an implict right to then jolt a seat?

There is a big difference between holding the seat in front of you and forcefully jerking it back.I have no problem when someone holds the back of my seat for balance but I do object to those who forcefully pull it back or shove it forward.By the way I don't recline in Y.
My experience is the "jolters"are in a definite minority.I really don't think there is a major problem but then to get back on topic if an older child is sitting behind me I find it more likely that they will push my seat forward rather than just hold it for balance.

 

[The man with no name]

I'm well over 6 foot and can get out without touching the seat in front.

No one has to expect movement of their seat. If the person in front reclines the option is for the person behind to do so as well. There is zero loss of space in front of the chest or face. (I accept there might be some loss of legroom in seats where the seat pan moves forward, but I haven't noticed that.)

If the person behind chooses not to recline, they are choosing to accept the inconvenience.

But I cannot see that generating an implict right to then jolt a seat?

It must be tough there in the rarified air you find yourself in, the rest of us can only dream...

But seriously, not everyone gets their choice of seats and somebody has to sit in the middle seats and by the way you are talking you have no recent experience on the matter.

Being well over 6 foot and managing to get out of an aisle seat is no great accomplishment, I'm sure a hippo could do it. You know we're talking about getting out of a cramped economy seat not business right ?

In any case, if faced between disturbing sleeping people on either side of me, who've created no discomfort for me or the person in front who has, I know who I'd choose. I know because I've been in the situation more than once.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But seriously, not everyone gets their choice of seats and somebody has to sit in the middle seats and by the way you are talking you have no recent experience on the matter.

Being well over 6 foot and managing to get out of an aisle seat is no great accomplishment, I'm sure a hippo could do it. You know we're talking about getting out of a cramped economy seat not business right ?

In any case, if faced between disturbing sleeping people on either side of me, who've created no discomfort for me or the person in front who has, I know who I'd choose. I know because I've been in the situation more than once.

Yes, we're talking about economy. Middle seat and all. You just learn how to do it. I guess it comes from the old days we all had to recline during the movie to give everyone a view of the screen. People got in and out without jostling or jolting the person in front. You just did, no ifs or buts about it.

If there's a stranger in the asile I either go before they sleep, have to wait until they wake up (usually not too long in economy anyway!).

 

[JohnK]

I cannot think of an instance where a passenger - unless elderly or frail - needs to grab the back of the seat in front to get out to the aisle. Passengers can lean backwards and grab the back of their own seat for support, if required.

Only way I can get out is to grab seat in front.

 

[dajop]

I never have problems with people grabbing the seat behind me. It’s when they grab my head it’s a problem. Yes it has happened several times. Must be just at the right height

 

[The man with no name]

Yes, we're talking about economy. Middle seat and all.

When was the last time you were in a middle seat in economy on a long flight seated beside people you don't know ?

It's all very well to instruct people how to extract themselves from a tight economy seat but perhaps you should give it a go sometime. This reminds me of a saying from a friends workplace - " It's only heavy if you're the one lifting it"

 

[MEL_Traveller]

When was the last time you were in a middle seat in economy on a long flight seated beside people you don't know ?

It's all very well to instruct people how to extract themselves from a tight economy seat but perhaps you should give it a go sometime. This reminds me of a saying from a friends workplace - " It's only heavy if you're the one lifting it"

I can't get out to the aisle if there's someone sitting in the aisle seat. So the aisle seat person has to move (stand up and let me out). Once they do, I use the back of my own seat to get out.

I saw a middle passenger use the armrests to jump out the aisle, but they were travelling as a couple. And that manoeuver was not something two strangers could engage in

 

[GoldCanyon340]

It's much better when the recliner in front provides something for you to grab to help you out of your seat...

 

[blackcat20]

Yes, we're talking about economy. Middle seat and all. You just learn how to do it. I guess it comes from the old days we all had to recline during the movie to give everyone a view of the screen. People got in and out without jostling or jolting the person in front. You just did, no ifs or buts about it.

If there's a stranger in the asile I either go before they sleep, have to wait until they wake up (usually not too long in economy anyway!).

The old days when there was more space between the rows?

 

[Pushka]

It's much better when the recliner in front provides something for you to grab to help you out of your seat...

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You can’t even wonder what she thought her hair was hanging over, as she stares into the screen in front of her. When did people become so tunnel visioned?. Given that this phenomena is an age related thing, heaven help us when she is in her 70’s. Although I’ll be long gone.

 

[Forg]

The old days when there was more space between the rows?

I never flew on a Zeppelin in their heyday, so I can't comment on those old days.

I did go to Europe with some mates in 2001 on an LH ticket which was code-share with SQ between SYD & SIN … it was all 747, the SQ outgoing flight had their new on-demand inflight entertainment with LCD's for each seat (which was awesome!) that was brand-new & broke (which was not so great - you can only watch About A Boy so many times), the LH flight had Recaro seating which while spaced the same as SQ felt like it gave me an extra 1" of knee-room ... but the TV screens above the aisles were old washed-out CRT's (and the movie first-up - About A Boy!).
'Tis a bit odd the cabin of a Concorde & seeing what were effectively the same as a Y seat these days … if I remember correctly it was F service despite Y space? Wonder what carry-on allowance was? And I wonder if you had a child onboard one & got it to lie down in the direction of travel, it would grow 2"?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The old days when there was more space between the rows?

maybe an inch? Pitch was 34 or so back then, but the seats were much bulkier. The slim-line seating @ 30 is almost the same these days. But nowhere near as comfortable

 

[JohnK]

She stands up, puts her arm on her own seat back, and shuffles out.

Most people including me couldn't stand up when the seat in front is in full recline.

With some difficulty, I can slide down the seat and the roll out on my knees into the aisle but there's no way I'm doing that for someone that inconveniencing me. I will grab the seat in front to get out. The person in front then needs to decide if they continue to recline.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Most people including me couldn't stand up when the seat in front is in full recline.

With some difficulty, I can slide down the seat and the roll out on my knees into the aisle but there's no way I'm doing that for someone that inconveniencing me. I will grab the seat in front to get out. The person in front then needs to decide if they continue to recline.

That sounds very odd indeed! My procedure is the reverse... you slide back in the seat, so your bottom is right against the seat back. This creates the room to stand up. Trying to stand up from a slouched-down position would be difficult!

 

[JohnK]

I don’t know why airlines aren’t charging full fare for every passenger - no matter what age (after all, most kids are fairly high maintenance). A full fare regime would certainly reduce the number of kids and therefore the incidence of noise.

Infants up until 2 years of age are free as they sit on the lap of a parent. After that they pay full adult fare and in our case she doesn't eat the inflight food or have anything to drink. I'd say there's a higher profit margin for the airline from the child fare then there is from an adult fare.

 

[33kft]

Infants up until 2 years of age are free as they sit on the lap of a parent. After that they pay full adult fare and in our case she doesn't eat the inflight food or have anything to drink. I'd say there's a higher profit margin for the airline from the child fare then there is from an adult fare.

Even infants incur (admittedly low) fees, even when sitting on a parent's lap. So the options are to pay exactly what everyone else is paying or to pay 20% of what everyone else is paying to carry a 10kg waste generation machine on your lap and panic about it offending others for the entire journey.

It is far from the rort that some seem to think it is.

 

[Katie]

I confuse Americans by using the term boiled lollies
Keeping on topic I am actually going to be mindful of young children on my next flight

I quite like using the term dragees.

 

[drron]

So who amongst us would do this.
Passenger gives up first-class seat for mother with ill baby

"Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania: A US passenger has been praised for giving up his seat in first-class for a mother with an 11-month-old sick baby, although he says he doesn't think it was such a big deal.

Jason Kunselman, who was travelling from Orlando to Philadelphia on American Airlines on December 6, said he saw Kelsey Zwick and her daughter Lucy getting ready to board.

She was carrying the baby's oxygen machine and, he said, he gave up his seat after learning the two were sitting at the back of the plane,The York Daily Record reported."

I wonder if anyone in the F cabin then complained about an infant in their cabin.

 

[RAM]

You can’t even wonder what she thought her hair was hanging over, as she stares into the screen in front of her. When did people become so tunnel visioned?. Given that this phenomena is an age related thing, heaven help us when she is in her 70’s. Although I’ll be long gone.

Sometimes you just get the urge to open and close the tray, and then leave your seat for a while...

Luckily not school days or else the hair could have been superglued to seat back just like happened on some school coach trips between the warring female factions....