A tale of two children (in J)

[Quickstatus]

Why do aircraft passengers think that they are entitled to not be affected by their fellow passenger.
It is a metal tube packed with passengers (self loading freight as an aviator calls it) and there is no respite until disembarkation.

As much as it is possible try to not annoy your fellow traveller, but its impossible in many situations. Everyone should just get along because we are all in the same "boat" until the end

 

[Pushka]

Why do aircraft passengers think that they are entitled to not be affected by their fellow passenger.
It is a metal tube packed with passengers (self loading freight as an aviator calls it) and there is no respite until disembarkation.

As much as it is possible try to not annoy your fellow traveller, but its impossible in many situations. Everyone should just get along because we are all in the same "boat" until the end

Far too much common sense shown here. Shame on you.

 

[Forg]

Touching a seat without causing any impact on the passenger in front is fine. But knocking the seat so the person in front can feel it seems unnecessary... unless you have a particular medical condition or disability.

Let's just assume that I can't levitate & unlike others I have to contend with gravity, and leave it at that.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Let's just assume that I can't levitate & unlike others I have to contend with gravity, and leave it at that.

Easy solved Choose an aisle seat. Use the button under the armrest to release and fully raise it. Turn sideways with legs going directly into the aisle. Use back of your own seat to raise yourself.

 

[Pushka]

Easy solved Choose an aisle seat. Use the button under the armrest to release and fully raise it. Turn sideways with legs going directly into the aisle. Use back of your own seat to raise yourself.

Well, if travelling as a couple that means you both select aisle seats leaving that dreaded middle seat to some unfortunate. I seem to recall a similar issue being gaming the system?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Well, if travelling as a couple that means you both select aisle seats leaving that dreaded middle seat to some unfortunate. I seem to recall a similar issue being gaming the system?

Not applicable as a couple as the person on the aisle stands up and gets out, the passenger in the middle raises both armrests and is able to move freely.

I think it was agreed in the other thread that if people had genuine reasons for needing two aisles (including medical) that wasn’t an issue?

 

[Pushka]

Not applicable as a couple as the person on the aisle stands up and gets out, the passenger in the middle raises both armrests and is able to move freely.

I think it was agreed in the other thread that if people had genuine reasons for needing two aisles (including medical) that wasn’t an issue?

Oh yeah that’s going to work. No way am I getting into the middle seat.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Oh yeah that’s going to work. No way am I getting into the middle seat.

Then you have two aisles and with raising the armrest there is zero grabbing or touching the seat in front. (But for passengers that do happen to be seated next to each other in the middle and aisle - possibly because that's all that's left at check-in - they too can access the aisle without grabbing the seat in front.)

For every perceived problem there is usually a solution that doesn't involve disturbing another passenger.

 

[Pushka]

Then you have two aisles and with raising the armrest there is zero grabbing or touching the seat in front. (But for passengers that do happen to be seated next to each other in the middle and aisle - possibly because that's all that's left at check-in - they too can access the aisle without grabbing the seat in front.)

For every perceived problem there is usually a solution that doesn't involve disturbing another passenger.

Honestly, if I’m reclining I’d expect to be disturbed. Saves a lot of disappointment.

 

[Forg]

Easy solved Choose an aisle seat. Use the button under the armrest to release and fully raise it. Turn sideways with legs going directly into the aisle. Use back of your own seat to raise yourself.

Didn't someone say in the other thread that the aisle armrests can't be raised on either a lot of or most seats?

I guess it doesn't matter to me though; if someone is going to recline their seat into my face & stop me from being able to pass the time by reading or watching the IFE, then I really don't care if they feel a bit of seat movement when I'm getting out. If they're going to physically wedge someone in like that such that there's so little room that any movement will affect their seat-back, they have to expect it. So regardless of whether people over 6' tall are unable to get out without levitation or falling on the floor in the case of raisable armrests, recliners have to expect that when they drop the gerbil into the … balloon, the movement of said gerbil is going to move the outside of the … balloon!

For every perceived problem there is usually a solution that doesn't involve disturbing another passenger.

A death so quick they don't notice it? ​

 

[VPS]

I think it's very rare now to get aisle armrests that can be raised

 

[drron]

Well, if travelling as a couple that means you both select aisle seats leaving that dreaded middle seat to some unfortunate. I seem to recall a similar issue being gaming the system?

It's what we do if in domestic Y together.Don't see it as gaming the system.If we select aisle and window hoping for an empty middle seat then fair enough to say possibly gaming.We are both OWE so do get a choice in seat selection.
However I also fly when doing locums.Usually they insist on doing the booking and it is usually close to flight.So I have ended up in window or a couple of times in the middle seat.

 

[mannej]

I think it's very rare now to get aisle armrests that can be raised

Don't most of them have a latch underneath that raises the armrest if required?

 

[Denali]

The secret armrest button... Only found it once but the joy it brought to my life, I still remember many years later.

 

[tgh]

I must thank everyone, this little popcorn concession has allowed me to substantially increase the status of my Christmas libations

 

[Bodie]

I think we should consider stress and lack of sleep in the equation of behaviour on flights, from excitement and nervousness of first overseas flight- from youth to milestone events- to mundane - 4th flight that year to same location of the road warrior and everything in between.. What has happened before flight- from organising house ie collecting mail- pet care- cleaning packing to making sure office runs smoothly while away- these things can be stressful. You then have trip to airport and queuing for tickets and bag drop then security and immigration- adds to stress- especially if unfamiliar surrounds. You then get on plane after sitting around for 2hrs in terminal. You get on plane hoping to arrive safely - but added layer of concern- seating, food , reclining , screaming child etc. for next 8-12hrs I will include parents with young children (hoping no child meltdown- especially if done previously) adds to stress. As others have said you 300 people on flight - tired and stressed - hoping for peaceful flight. but also you have microcosm of society on flight. Im sure 95% of people are decent people - but sometimes the smallest thing can cause upset them which they normally wouldnt concern them.

 

[Quickstatus]

All this pales in comparison when sitting next to a passenger with BO

 

[VPS]

Don't most of them have a latch underneath that raises the armrest if required?

I've tried on almost ever plane in Y and rarely found one

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Didn't someone say in the other thread that the aisle armrests can't be raised on either a lot of or most seats?

I guess it doesn't matter to me though; if someone is going to recline their seat into my face & stop me from being able to pass the time by reading or watching the IFE, then I really don't care if they feel a bit of seat movement when I'm getting out. If they're going to physically wedge someone in like that such that there's so little room that any movement will affect their seat-back, they have to expect it.

I'm well over 6 foot and can get out without touching the seat in front.

No one has to expect movement of their seat. If the person in front reclines the option is for the person behind to do so as well. There is zero loss of space in front of the chest or face. (I accept there might be some loss of legroom in seats where the seat pan moves forward, but I haven't noticed that.)

If the person behind chooses not to recline, they are choosing to accept the inconvenience.

But I cannot see that generating an implict right to then jolt a seat?

 

[Forg]

If the person in front reclines the option is for the person behind to do so as well. There is zero loss of space in front of the chest or face.

Firstly, I'm not talking about total volume, I'm talking about the shape of that volume.
Again, you can't just "stand up", because you can't centre your body over your feet, the reclined backrest is where your body has to be. So it's yoga poses or levitation to get out, getting between that immovable armrest & the backrest while supporting yourself on an armrest & not getting your neighbour with elbows. It's physically possible to do this, if you're really really careful & do it really slowly, in exactly the same way it's physically possible to ten-pin-bowl a 300 game every single time. I'm not particularly into bowling, but I don't think I've ever bowled a perfect 300, and it certainly hasn't happened every time I've played.

Secondly the LCD screens don't tilt far enough unless you've got eyes in your belly-button, so you can't use the IFE. And there's no space now for a book or magazine to read; so there'll be NONE of that.

A Recliner who's so self-absorbed they either don't know or care about what they're inflicting on other passengers definitely doesn't deserve any special "oooh don't disturb their afternoon nap" treatment.