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Actually, all you men are doing is assuming that you speak on behalf of women. Maintaining the rage on "our behalf". Guess what. We don't need you to do that. And you think times have changed..

Oops. I had wrongly thought that you were a male and now I see that you are not. I just don't know what to say. :oops:


Please accept my apologies.
 
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Actually, all you men are doing is assuming that you speak on behalf of women. Maintaining the rage on "our behalf". Guess what. We don't need you to do that. And you think times have changed. Clearly not.

You are simply grasping on this as a means of your anti Coalition lobby.

I don't vote people to represent me as a woman. I vote for someone to represent me as a voter and citizen of Australia. I looked forward to having the first female as PM and looked where that went.

And don't associate experience with competence.

If you think this is an anti-coalition thing you're sadly mistaken. I can think of a couple of liberal women who are better propositions than Sophie mirabella (a number one pick if elected) and Concetta Fierravanti-Wells (demoted by still in the outer ministry.

Then for experience there is an equally experience and competent women as Alan Tudge and Josh Frydenberg. Even Tessa Gambaro is missing.

Gillard was a very good PM. Where that went was destroyed by a man. Helped on by lies from Abbott. Have you noticed that everything Abbott has said for the last 3 years suddenly does not apply now that he is about to take the top job? Abbott is setting out to do the very things he attacked Gillard over.

Anyway, the lack of women in abbott's ministry, despite them having significant experience suggests that liberal women lack competence. Unless there is something else going on. :rolleyes:
 
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Yes there is a parallel universe.
Amazing the number of experts on Liberal Party parliamentarians.
 
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It is irrelevant what the sex of the commentator is here or anywhere.

Anyhow, perhaps he didn't consider that Kelly O'Dwyer had enough "sex appeal".
 
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Oops. I had wrongly thought that you were a male and now I see that you are not. I just don't know what to say. :oops:

Please accept my apologies.

No problems. Women post on here too. :p. But really you should post what you think in a community and not whether you think it's just a 'guys' thing.

I'd just like for everyone to give them a chance at governing. They haven't even been sworn in yet.

As for Gillard, she killed off Rudd, took control and then Rudd came back. They didn't need any assistance from Abbott.
 
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Have you noticed that everything Abbott has said for the last 3 years suddenly does not apply now that he is about to take the top job?
A bold claim indeed!

Now, I'm not big on affirmative action per se, but I see an article in this morning's paper pointing out that there are any number of competing balances required. Can't have too many ministers from one state and/or not enough from another. The parties must be balanced - the post of Deputy PM must go to the Nats. There has to be a balance between Senate and House. Factions cannot be rewarded or punished unduly.

Now, obviously the Prime Minister has to weigh such considerations, and the same sort of factors apply for Labor when choosing a Cabinet. No need to balance between parties, of course, but there is the issue of gender preference to consider, something not applying to the Coalition. Rudd made some big changes, not least replacing the Prime Minister with a male.

My question without notice is why in all these competing interests that presumably trump merit, the issue of gender comes last?
 
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If you think this is an anti-coalition thing you're sadly mistaken. I can think of a couple of liberal women who are better propositions than Sophie mirabella (a number one pick if elected) and Concetta Fierravanti-Wells (demoted by still in the outer ministry.

Then for experience there is an equally experience and competent women as Alan Tudge and Josh Frydenberg. Even Tessa Gambaro is missing.

Gillard was a very good PM. Where that went was destroyed by a man. Helped on by lies from Abbott. Have you noticed that everything Abbott has said for the last 3 years suddenly does not apply now that he is about to take the top job? Abbott is setting out to do the very things he attacked Gillard over.

Anyway, the lack of women in abbott's ministry, despite them having significant experience suggests that liberal women lack competence. Unless there is something else going on. :rolleyes:
medhead,

I am not going to go through your post sentence by sentence but suffice to say I disagree with nearly every sentence in your post and for a variety of reasons.

Remember that it is your opinion only and others, myself included, may have a different opinion.
 
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medhead,

I am not going to go through your post sentence by sentence but suffice to say I disagree with nearly every sentence in your post and for a variety of reasons.
The one that hit me was ''Gillard was a very good PM.''

Even the ALP took a vote on that and decided Rudd was better.

*shakes head*
 
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... My question without notice is why in all these competing interests that presumably trump merit, the issue of gender comes last?

And we have Eric Abetz (you know, I always thought it was Erica Bets whenever I heard that name. Another gender malfunction on my part) reported as saying:

" .. having more women in the Labor ministry did not necessarily lead to good representation in Parliament.

"You have to make very tough judgment calls as a prime minister as to who is in and who is out of Cabinet, and at the end of the day we, as a Coalition, have always said that these positions should be based on merit rather than on quota" (My bolding).

Yes. Merit, he said.

Julie Bishop rejects Ita Buttrose criticism that Cabinet's lack of women shows 'glass ceiling still exists' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
 
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The one that hit me was ''Gillard was a very good PM.''

Even the ALP took a vote on that and decided Rudd was better.

*shakes head*

In hindsight. :D
 
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The one that hit me was ''Gillard was a very good PM.''

Even the ALP took a vote on that and decided Rudd was better.

*shakes head*

The fact that you believe they voted in Rudd for his leadership abilities and not because of polling makes your post a complete joke.
 
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The fact that you believe they voted in Rudd for his leadership abilities and not because of polling makes your post a complete joke.
Thank you!

Not that I necessarily believe in my jokes, of course.
 
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hahaha.......love the blue tie.


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A bold claim indeed!

As much as you hate to do it, you just need to look at gillard's legislative record. NDIS and schools package for a start. Both of which Abbott will adopt. Then she put a price on carbon something Rudd failed to do, and which is vastly superior I direct action.

Abbott is just going to throw away $3.2 billion on direct action without even bothering to know if it'll achieve his stated target. If you want to talk about this government talk about wasting $3.2 billion to achieve nothing. Oh but that's ok, he lives in a dormitory.

Oh and this is not about affirmative action at all. How many elected liberal women in parliament? How many in the cabinet? Are the proportions even close to being the same? You'll also noticed that I've said there are a number of very competent and experienced women. It seems that only the Abbott admirers think I'm suggesting they get jobs only because they're women.

It's a shame you seem the need to protect your standards on to me. How about you stop verbaling me.
 
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Abbott and Costello, Abbott and Bishop - there's a certain Coalition genius for names.

Not shared by the parents of Ita Buttrose. What on earth were they thinking? We can get our girl into Hogwarts, no worries.

I see a theme here from the Abbott admirers. A high profile women is a witch because they have a different opinion to you. Nice. Do you have a ditch the witch sign as well?
 
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It's a shame you seem the need to protect your standards on to me. How about you stop verbaling me.
It was the "everything" in your claim I raised my eyebrows over.
 
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Yes there is a parallel universe.
Amazing the number of experts on Liberal Party parliamentarians.

I guess in the same way it's amazing that your in expert on ALP parliamentarians. Double standards again from the Abbott admirers. They know everything and everyone else knows nothing.
 
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I see a theme here from the Abbott admirers. A high profile women is a witch because they have a different opinion to you.
The Hogwarts comment was directed at J K Rowling's genius for names, rather than any supernatural aspect, but if we could arrange for Hermione Grainger to head up the Australian Ministry of Magic, I would be out there dancing for joy.

TBH, I've always admired Ita. A strong, successful, personable figure, she is an excellent role model. Not just for women, but for all of us.
 
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It was the "everything" in your claim I raised my eyebrows over.

It's very easy. Everything Abbott and co has screamed about for the last three years no longer applies. He is not going to return to surplus any quicker. He is going to throw out money of wasteful spending for policies like direct action and PPL.

Then there is the U-turn on elected government mandates. Another sign of gillard's being good was her ability to work with the minor parties to achieve her policy platform. Abbott just tries to bully people into adopting his policies while ignoring his inability to do what he demands of others.

He has run a core message for the last 3 years but now he's been elected apparently that no longer applies.
 
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