ALL QF's 330's to get lay flat Business seating - Including Domestic

[eminere]

Fair dinkum, even skimming that article made be feel vomitus.

That whole article was vacuous nonsense.

 

[RooFlyer]

I don't think that is a good comparison. The AC staggered seats are inferior compared to QF. <snip>.

As a regular user of AC's J herringbone, let me tell you I like it a lot! Not sure what QF you are comparing it to - existing Skybed or proposed new 'suite'. AC herringbone is on 777superior to current QF skybed (for space, comfort and other amenities), but I hope will be inferior to new QF seat. Row 6 on AC is a cracker - more space due to the bulkhead behind.

<snip>It is important to first observe that they don't maintain a consistent 1-2-1 stagger. Rather, 1-2-1 is only the configuration in every second row. The other configuration is 2-2-2. The result is that the cabin is configured thus:

2-2-2
1-2-1
2-2-2
1-2-1

The result of this product choice is that AC have crammed 8 more seats into their 7 rows than they otherwise would have had using a 1-2-1 configuration in every row.<snip>.

Sorry, not true. Here's the AC front J cabin lay-out on 777 TPAC; used it many times. Its actually exaggerates somewhat the offset of columns D and G against A and K. Its clearly 1-2-1 all the way!



The next cabin back is asymmetric due to the door -2- then 1-2-1.

<snip>
I think it is safe to say that the AC product is inferior. Doing a quick search, it turns out that it is the [Regular] Vantage product. Seatguru lists the specs as 75-8 inch pitch with 20.6-22.5 inch width. The XL Vantage that QF has chosen has specs of 79-80 inch pitch with 24-6 inch width.

Hope you are right. A new product would be silly if it was inferior to a competitor's existing one!

 

[eosphoros]

Sorry, not true. Here's the AC front J cabin lay-out on 777 TPAC; used it many times. Its actually exaggerates somewhat the offset of columns D and G against A and K. Its clearly 1-2-1 all the way!

I was referring to this:

• staggered QF 1-2-1 style: Air Canadia - 36 seats SeatGuru Seat Map Air Canada Boeing 777-300ER (77W) Three Class

That is not based on AC's old herringbone. That is based on their new 777 J product, which you can see after clicking on this link and scrolling down to "Studio Pod": International Business Class - Cabin Comfort - aircanada.com

With that product, as Seatguru shows, the layout is 2-2-2; 1-2-1

 

[RooFlyer]

OK, I'll stick to TPAC.

But while I'm copying and pasting from airlines web sites, can anyone explain what this image was representing ... it was part of QF's announcement on its web site




Seriously ... what does anyone think they are trying to show? Presumably if you are unlucky and get row X, you have problems? Puts recliner angst in the shade, eh?

Or is it another case of Qantas not checking what they send out / post?

I do like the lay-out of the seat - good lot of space for stuff, and headphone jack and power point so that you don't have to be a gymnast to find!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I don't think that is a good comparison.

Yes - good point! (I wasn't able to find a cabin with the XL seats)

 

[mannej]

Looks like the iPads in economy are around to stay. It is a pity that they didn't upgrade the entire fleet to have the same economy product as well.

 

[moa999]

Yes - good point! (I wasn't able to find a cabin with the XL seats)

Because Qantas is the launch customer for the Vantage XL - ie the first user - one reason why the rollout has taken so long since initial announcement

 

[TomVexille]

I was referring to this:



That is not based on AC's old herringbone. That is based on their new 777 J product, which you can see after clicking on this link and scrolling down to "Studio Pod": International Business Class - Cabin Comfort - aircanada.com

With that product, as Seatguru shows, the layout is 2-2-2; 1-2-1

That configuration is only on their high density routes which also features PE and 3-4-3 in Y

 

[woodborer]

But while I'm copying and pasting from airlines web sites, can anyone explain what this image was representing ... it was part of QF's announcement on its web site

It says to me that you sit behind the table of the person in front, and that your seat extends under that table, when in the bed position.

 

[Mr_Orange]

OK, I'll stick to TPAC.

But while I'm copying and pasting from airlines web sites, can anyone explain what this image was representing ... it was part of QF's announcement on its web site


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Seriously ... what does anyone think they are trying to show? Presumably if you are unlucky and get row X, you have problems? Puts recliner angst in the shade, eh?

Or is it another case of Qantas not checking what they send out / post?

I do like the lay-out of the seat - good lot of space for stuff, and headphone jack and power point so that you don't have to be a gymnast to find!

What's your point caller?

 

[kamchatsky]

Currently I have a booking from QF SYD-PER J mid next year as part of my USDM Europe awards. Not sure if we are still going yet but if so I hope it will be on the new QF J rather than the old one. I have never tried QF J before.

 

[serfty]

What's your point caller?

I would suggest at first glance the image does not make it look good for PAX in the rear row - rather squishy - maybe even on secon glance.

It takes a while to realise the PAX in the second row are laterally offset from thos in the forward row and there is actually more space for them.

A better view would be from the other perspective which would show more space with the rear right seat being at the aisle.

[EDIT]Here, this view is better:

First pics of the Suite there will be 28 Business Suites on each A330
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[serfty]

I have zoomed in on that image:

 

[Mr_Orange]

I would suggest at first glance the image does not make it look good for PAX in the rear row - rather squishy - maybe even on secon glance.

It takes a while to realise the PAX in the second row are laterally offset from thos in the forward row and there is actually more space for them.

A better view would be from the other perspective which would show more space with the rear right seat being at the aisle.

[EDIT]Here, this view is better:[/EDIT]

Fair enough. I guess I (and most of us here?) already knew the seats were staggered and that one man's foot well was the next man's table.

 

[eminere]

So the seat width varies, depending on which seat you choose: see point 3.

 

[Flying Fox]

Is it just me or do these new seats remind me of a cut down QF F Suite? (Colours, textures, seat numbers etc)

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Is it just me or do these new seats remind me of a cut down QF F Suite? (Colours, textures, seat numbers etc)

It's not just you. It's the signature Marc Newson look.
Personally I think it's a bit too minimal and doesn't feel luxurious.
The plain dark grey finish on flat panels doesn't age or wear well either.
I don't think QF should emulate the over-the-top gold and walnut opulence of EK.
Trying to strike a balance between luxury and elegant simplicity is a good approach.
I just think they err on the side of simplicity.

 

[yohy?!]

It's not just you. It's the signature Marc Newson look.
Personally I think it's a bit too minimal and doesn't feel luxurious.
The plain dark grey finish on flat panels doesn't age or wear well either.
I don't think QF should emulate the over-the-top gold and walnut opulence of EK.
Trying to strike a balance between luxury and elegant simplicity is a good approach.
I just think they err on the side of simplicity.

I just hate that fake wood finish - many have commented it looks like cheap hospital furniture, it's a shame as I do like Newson's structural design

 

[JohnK]

When is expected roll out?

Thinking of booking a business award BNE-HKG or MEL-HKG for July 2015.

How does the CX A330 business class product compare to the current QF A330 business class product?

 

[Awesom Andy]

July should be pretty safe, although I would have a guess and say that MEL has a greater chance than BNE.

I need to fly SIN-SYD in Feb, and there is 1x U class seat available. Wonder if it's worth the gamble.