AMEX not accepted or surcharge

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Had forgotten all about that and fly to Madagascar and Reunion mid August.

I think it is 30 days not 60, but I will hold off a week or two!

Glen

The 60 day regulation came into effect on 17 April 2013. If you are buying new clothes for the journey you can claim these as well providing you are wearing them. Minimum spend of $300 from each retailer still applies.
 
The 60 day regulation came into effect on 17 April 2013. If you are buying new clothes for the journey you can claim these as well providing you are wearing them. Minimum spend of $300 from each retailer still applies.

The retailer requirement was relaxed a little, as it doesn't need to be on the one tax invoice anymore - as long as it totals over $300.
 
Acceptance of Amex in Stavanger (Norway) is limited. Also quite a few machines are in use that don't like Aussie Amex chipped cards. It is a Visa or MasterCard town...
 
Skybus (Melbourne Airport-Southern Cross) has stopped taking Amex as of 1 July.

What the actual (....)!!!!!

I'll be sending them a strongly-worded email... just think how many business travellers they will lose!!! I will NOT be gouged for a 20 minute bus ride and forced to pay with Visa/MC for the 'privilege'... off to look up the MEL bus thread!
 
I can confirm it. Yesterday I was informed but today I fronted up and there are signs on their windows indicating that Amex is no longer taken.

You can get a bus to Broadmeadows most of the day, every 20 minutes or so and then the train into town if you want to avoid Skybus.
 
Out of curiosity, did the signs list a reason? It seems like a poor business decision (IMO), considering the miniscule cost difference between a premium/business Visa/MC and Amex.

Another thought - do Skybus sell their tickets through third-party vendors at all? I know that some XPOS terminals in Melbourne can sell SkyBus tickets (which can still be paid for with Amex if the merchant accepts it directly), but am hoping that they might sell paper tickets somewhere! :)
 
Out of curiosity, did the signs list a reason?

Another thought - do Skybus sell their tickets through third-party vendors at all? I know that some XPOS terminals in Melbourne can sell SkyBus tickets (which can still be paid for with Amex if the merchant accepts it directly), but am hoping that they might sell paper tickets somewhere! :)

I only glanced at the sign but am pretty sure it didn't state a reason. I don't know about third-party vendors, I'm afraid. A web search might be an idea. Which xpos terminals do you know of? Any close to Southern Cross?
 
I knew i should have stocked up on skybus tickets. I have 3 trips over the next 8 weeks I will need skybus for grrrrrrr
 
Which xpos terminals do you know of? Any close to Southern Cross?
I don't know of any in MEL, but it would likely be most/all newsagents and convenience stores etc... I'm not sure if they sell through EPay, but if they do, there's a small chance that tickets could be bought using one of the self-serve kiosks in Woolies! Perhaps someone in Melbourne could check when they're next using one (and there isn't a huge line behind them). I always buy SWMBO's Telstra dongle top-up there ($180), for the EDR points, the fuel voucher and no surcharge either... some with other cards could enjoy the 3pts/$1 on that one too.

Anyway, I know that they're an option through XPOS (or at least have been in the past) as CBA has accidentally loaded my terminal with the Melbourne settings before... though I think I've only gone in there a few times, more out of curiosity than anything! :)
 
On a menu in London:

Credit card accepted above £10.00
Sorry no Amex please!
 
The 'please' at the end almost implies that they have a merchant account and prefer not to accept it, but the 'sorry' implies that they don't.

They should pick one or the other IMO! :)
 
Had an interesting one yesterday.

A motel in Goulburn (NSW), that I stay at once a quarter - Lilac Motor Inn (Golden Chain), no longer accepts AmEx. New owners have taken over (and there was a slight language barrier - so am hopeful that they may get it sorted again soon) but was told "No AmEx due to surcharge". I tried to explain that it is the customer who pays the surcharge, but she may have been referring to the % they get charged ?

Disappointing. Wasn't the greatest place to stay but was clean and comfortable, and I really liked the Steakhouse Restaurant. Oh well, as I said to the new owners, unless they can get AmEx sorted again, I will be going back to the Comfort Inn again up the road.

Lucky I had another card on me - could have been embarrassing !

Cheers,

Brooke
 
Had an interesting one yesterday.

A motel in Goulburn (NSW), that I stay at once a quarter - Lilac Motor Inn (Golden Chain), no longer accepts AmEx. New owners have taken over (and there was a slight language barrier - so am hopeful that they may get it sorted again soon) but was told "No AmEx due to surcharge". I tried to explain that it is the customer who pays the surcharge, but she may have been referring to the % they get charged ?

Yeah new owners. I used to stay there as my great grandmother lives in the Legacy accommodation next door.

Not sure if Shaun is still running the steakhouse or not though. I guess I'll find out next visit.

Fwiw, the Best Western Centretown just down the road is pretty good. I particularly like their apartments.
 
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Had an interesting one yesterday.

"No AmEx due to surcharge".

Brooke

Unfortunately Amex also charges merchants a hefty fee. IMHO merchants should accept all cards and pass the fees on to the customer who chooses to use a CC.... just like Qantas do. Not saying the hotel in particular but with margins on many things so small accepting high cost cards can almost wipe out your profit.
 
Yes, but a customer who walks represents 0% profit ....

Cash has a back end cost, cheques do too - why are these back end costs not pushed forward and exposed to the customer? Well, of course they are swept up as part of the cost of doing business just as CC fee's can be, with margins added above cost to keep your doors open.

But anyway ... its all part of the game. Market forced will ultimately dictate who wins and whether their imposed strategy was the right one. As a block, I'd guess that Amex users are more attuned to the whole points thing than almost anyone else ... given that there really is precious little reason to go through the pain of holding an Amex card unless you are FF points aware. Given this probability, these are also the customers most likely to walk, or not return to your business if they feel gouged or unhappy at surcharges.

Many times I'm confronted with the argument that Amex only represents a small (tiny even!) percentage of a specific businesses turnover ... these same businesses usually being the ones that surcharge too. They think it isn't a problem ... but it almost certainly _is_ ... the customers not adding to their Amex revenue are shopping elsewhere and using their Amex's to do it. I'd have thought this would be perceived as important by many owners.
 
......lets say the retailer is selling an item that has a maximum retail price, it could be a pre paid mobile recharge card, a shop selling transport tickets or a newsagent selling a magazine just to name a few. Amex will happily wipe you out. Retailers will always set a bottom line. I can't imagine any retailer/service provider accepting "something" just because it represents a profit. Try offering a car yard $100 above their cost or walking out. They will let you walk as would I. My business sets a realistic price representing a reasonable profit and will not be held to ransom by being offered something instead of nothing in the profit stakes.
 
I can't imagine any retailer/service provider accepting "something" just because it represents a profit. Try offering a car yard $100 above their cost or walking out. They will let you walk as would I.
While I do understand your point re: a car dealer and $100 GP relative to the overall price being paid (and the staff time that goes into making the sale and delivering the product), many businesses often accept "something" instead of "nothing" if they have perishable goods, even if it represents a loss (as it reduces the overall loss instead of writing off the full value)... so accepting "something" is certainly not
unheard of - even encouraged in this situation.

In the case of low margin goods (as you mentioned, recharge cards with a 5-10% gross margin), they are most frequently sold through EPAY/XPOS, where the voucher isn't printed (and 'purchased' by the business) until the customer has paid. If you choose not to accept Amex for payment of these products (or at all), it's certainly your prerogative... though as the sale doesn't require extra stock to be kept on hand, is quick, and is all confirmed electronically, I don't understand why you wouldn't want to make an extra sale and add to your business' bottom line, even if it's only by a small amount at a time.

Sure, a customer may very well suck it up and use another card when confronted with your policy on their first visit, but what you don't see are all of the times that customer goes elsewhere to purchase the same product at the same price with their preferred payment method. Add to that the incidental sales that you miss out on (eg. "ooh I might grab a drink and some chips while I'm here and have my Amex out")... which also usually have a hefty gross margin (sometimes enough to cover the transaction costs 10 times over).

Why a business owner would consciously refuse a quick and very easy sale (that was both simple and profitable), I'll never know...

FTR, I'm not having a go at you in particular Buzzard, but there are *many* small business owners stuck in this mindset... it just irks me that a small change in policy could garnish extra sales for the business, increase revenue and profit figures (while adding $0 to capital costs for display stock), and gain a repeat customer (who may also purchase other goods)... yet so many business owners don't see it that way! :)

Woolworths certainly have the right idea - I can purchase most any recharge from them using my Amex (no surcharge), and they'll also award Qantas points over and above the credit card entitlement, in addition to a fuel voucher which can be converted to even MORE points when I fill up... You can probably guess where I buy my iTunes cards from!! When a business has such a fantastic offering, I simply won't waste time returning to a merchant who sells the same exact product at the same price (usually), but refuses to even let me pay with my preferred card (never mind the added points awarded through EDR - not that I would expect that of a small merchant though).

Of course, not *everyone* is like this (and some will just keep sucking it up over and over again without too much thought), but for those customers who in this day and age continue to display serious loyalty (to airlines, hotels, credit card programs etc), not offering the customer a real opportunity to also be loyal to your business is an opportunity wasted, IMO!
 
I actually like your post ChrisCh and take no offence at all. In fact I do take Amex but certainly know several small business owners that do not for the reasons I outlined. Whilst I understand retailers "clearing" stock and accepting something at times even nothing to move those items, I was really alluding to regular retail pricing. I stand by what I said about letting customers walk as I am sure even Woolworths would if I suddenly decided to offer them say 5% less when I got to the checkout. Interestingly I will ring my dentist today and ask if they will see me for "no gap" checkup and clean as I have found a dentist down the road that will. I bet they send me on my way.
 
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