Are you Going to use the COVIDsafe App?

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I did research this a fair bit and I decided I was happy to:

 
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The context is different though...
There are no privacy laws in China and obedience to the ruling CCP is expected.
I know a bit of Chinese culture (being a Chinese origin) - it is not just privacy and obedience to CCP - it is more on the fact that they think money will solve all their problems - even possibly resorting to dodgy means including bribery, buying health certificates to go out and work or earn money
 
Exactly which is why the Australian version (and after due consideration) is ticking a lot of boxes.

The Prime Minister walked back smartly after he realised that a mandatory Covid app would achieve less than a voluntary. No coercion. Robust privacy laws. Free, and it is health orientated rather than a tool for coercion
 
And another ’star’ gets caught out. I hope that they will dance with their phones on board and apps running, next time. 😉

And some groups should have to download it because we know some many most NRL players have no idea of what it means to be a decent social citizen. It is like their social compass got lost somewhere.
 
And some groups should have to download it because we know some many most NRL players have no idea of what it means to be a decent social citizen. It is like their social compass got lost somewhere.

Hate to bust this myth of yours - no matter who downloads the app - even if compulsory, some people would do stupid things no matter what.. look at the fines handed out around the country to some people
 
Hate to bust this myth of yours - no matter who downloads the app - even if compulsory, some people would do stupid things no matter what.. look at the fines handed out around the country to some people
Oh yeah, agree, but the more we avoid having such people make responsible decisions and do it for them the better off we will be. On that note, clearly some Pollies need some affirmative action here too.
 
Oh yeah, agree, but the more we avoid having such people make responsible decisions and do it for them the better off we will be. On that note, clearly some Pollies need some affirmative action here too.

I think we don't need to insist that much - cause I think we are doing well enough as is
 
Or, the app could allow cafes, restaurants, bars, cinemas, etc, etc, to now reopen. Things could get back to ‘near normal’ today. We could be near strangers for more than 15 minutes and the app would trace the (possible) infection sources. 😀

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Ummmm, isn't that what I said. ...
 
And some groups should have to download it because we know some many most NRL players have no idea of what it means to be a decent social citizen. It is like their social compass got lost somewhere.
Well, their sport is based on brutalising and physically dominating their opponents!
 
Well, their sport is based on brutalising and physically dominating their opponents!

I think NRL has more off field dramas than the AFL more often normally (just personal opinion).. bit off topic there.. self declaration of interest- AFL Fan but not really NRL.. but both codes have issues with social distancing during this time of pandemic at the moment
 
I think NRL has more off field dramas than the AFL more often normally (just personal opinion).. bit off topic there.. self declaration of interest- AFL Fan but not really NRL.. but both codes have issues with social distancing during this time of pandemic at the moment
It isnt just social distancing though, like the recent story of some NRL players going to a school for student interaction and ending up with a player and a student found in a very compromising situation. Now that interaction would have had the Covid app in full meltdown.

And maybe thats why some wont download it - too much history will be tracked in the event of a positive result.
 
And maybe thats why some wont download it - too much history will be tracked in the event of a positive result.

I agree with you there - some as I said wont download based on history, but others wont download for the reason as you stated - especially if their partners discover something they don't want to know - such as having an affair LOL :P
 
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The app does not log your location at any time, only who you have been close to for 15minutes.
Facebook, instagram, google etc log your location.

That would be useful to people who were contemplating of having an affair - this "might" make them to think twice before proceeding? :D
 
I would agree that my lifestyle probably is atypical for much of Australia but not so unusual for people in rural areas where you may have a full life but mainly contact people you know. The 15 minutes within 1.5 m is not a particularly natural occurrence with strangers. When I'm travelling, I might eat out, but I'm usually travelling alone and pick a quiet table well away from others where I can peacefully read my book whilst I wait for my meal.
The situation with Bluetooth is quite interesting. I'm curious to know more about how it is functioning within the app. I've had a bit to do with Bluetooth but prior to the introduction of "smart" Bluetooth. It's a different beast these days, with the ability to pair to multiple slaves simultaneously. I'm thinking the general principle is the same, wherein it sends out a general enquiry and any other device within range sends back name rank and serial number. Logically, I would think that the effect on battery life would vary enormously, depending on the situation. If your phone is flat out answering to interrogation by many other devices, that'll hammer the battery but not necessarily otherwise.
I'm also interested in the 1.5 m. Without triangulation, there's only really two ways distance could be calculated. One would be the way bats do it, but with radio waves, not sound waves and the other would be signal strength. I'm doubtful that a phone could handle the first and the second seems open to a lot of variables. It'd be interesting to hear from anyone who's more up on the technical side. There's a lot of potential complexities, such as sitting next to someone at a pub, but one of you orders a new drink every fourteen minutes and the connection is broken; or is it coughulative? Five 3 minute exposures throughout the day?

Your life sounds much like mine. I don't spend all my time in crowds, but I do pass through airports and sit in lounges, or restaurants, or bars when delayed or any number of things happen to prevent me boarding my crowded plane.

As for the distance measuring in the app, my guess would be triangulation. Signal strength would be too variable between devices and environments. I did my electronics studies a very long time ago (we were still learning about valves and discrete transistors) but the applied radio and radar subjects left some impression. Triangulation might be possible between multiple devices. So, in a crowd, a single device - yours - would connect to multiple other devices and (the details are hazy) use a single known quantity/distance to calculate the others. I could probably look it up but life is short and busy... :)

OK, so my life isn't actually that busy; I found this - Bluetooth 5.1 Delivers Pinpoint Location Accuracy | Silicon UK Tech News. This relies on Bluetooth 5.1 which would only be in the latest phones so probably isn't the method used here. We're assured that the app doesn't record any geolocation information so I'm not sure how the distance measurement is done. Perhaps it requests a position and then deletes all but the distance measurement?

I believe I'm not completely naive but I choose to trust the government when they tell me that they have not only not tasked the app with collecting geolocation data but have made it illegal for anyone to use the app for anything other than locating potentially infected people for the duration of the pandemic. Others may disagree. For me the trade off is easy to calculate. If any spooks want to lokks at my whereabouts over time they are free to waste their lives doing that. They will be very bored.
 
only to find it's busy exchanging phone numbers with twenty people who just pulled up in a bus.

Hi nutwood,

As I said, I'm no expert in Bluetooth but I know this isn't how Bluetooth works. It won't interfere with your normal use of your phone. I have about 30 Bluetooth devices paired with my phone and, while I can't claim they always work 100% of the time, coach parties have never proven to be an issue. I hope this helps.
 

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