Are you Going to use the COVIDsafe App?

[serfty]

I did research this a fair bit and I decided I was happy to:

Privacy Policy

The COVIDSafe app speeds up contacting people exposed to coronavirus (COVID-19). This helps us support and protect you, your friends and family. Please read the content on this page before downloading.

www.health.gov.au

 

[Quickstatus]

The long and short version of the answer (unless you are a techo and can break into and pour over the guts of an app) is NO.

And legislation has made it illegal to hack that information.

 

[DC3]

And legislation has made it illegal to hack that information.

Isn’t it just an instrument (Ministerial), with no legislation to protect this untIl Parliament returns?

 

[Quickstatus]

Look up “delegated legislation”. Ministerial determinations fall in this category

As good as law subject to affirmation of Parliament

 

[KarenR]

Yes for me

 

[DC3]

249 responses to the poll after 5 days. Must be quite a few AFFers who are yet to respond?

 

[DC3]

Look up “delegated legislation”. Ministerial determinations fall in this category

As good as law subject to affirmation of Parliament

Okay, thanks. I had an idea that Parliament needed to approve.

 

[tomlee1986]

249 responses to the poll after 5 days. Must be quite a few AFFers who are yet to respond?

I would say try harder to get them to respond LOL

And legislation has made it illegal to hack that information.

And Hacking is illegal at the first place lol

 

[tomlee1986]

So the anti-vaxer ploy of I will be ok if everyone else does the right thing.

I like to say this... I had never promoted or objected other people in either downloading or using this app... all I said in my original quote is that "I feel many people would do it in the hope of easing the lock down sooner if they had the app"... for me personally, I would not download or use it

 

[luxury-lizard]

Further to my earlier post on this topic - I have downloaded the app on an iPhone 7.

My question / suggestion regarding the app - have a button on the app which displays the number of unique contacts recorded on each of a rolling 21-day window. This would have 2 benefits:-

1. Allow you to check if the application is actually working (overcoming one of my and others concerns)
2. Make some of the non-believers curious enough to download the app

Finally - while not mandatory to download - allow businesses to mandate that entry is only allowed if you show that you are running the app. I totally understand that this has many limitations - e.g. public transport, open areas like beaches and so on. But restaurants, pubs, work-places, theatres, etc could implement this. Now if one's objection to this is on the basis of personal privacy or whatever - businesses are allowed to do bag searches which IMO is much more invasive.

 

[tomlee1986]

Further to my earlier post on this topic - I have downloaded the app on an iPhone 7.

My question / suggestion regarding the app - have a button on the app which displays the number of unique contacts recorded on each of a rolling 21-day window. This would have 2 benefits:-

1. Allow you to check if the application is actually working (overcoming one of my and others concerns)
2. Make some of the non-believers curious enough to download the app

Finally - while not mandatory to download - allow businesses to mandate that entry is only allowed if you show that you are running the app. I totally understand that this has many limitations - e.g. public transport, open areas like beaches and so on. But restaurants, pubs, work-places, theatres, etc could implement this. Now if one's objection to this is on the basis of personal privacy or whatever - businesses are allowed to do bag searches which IMO is much more invasive.

Bag searches are not asking for personal details that could be used against you - and also they state that before you go in or not.. and also the government also said it is NOT mandatory either.. therefore you should not discriminate people for NOT using the app

 

[get me outta here]

As I found yesterday, people in that business may not have the app themselves.

Interesting point on bag searches, when are they allowed to override up one’s objections to doing your bag search?

Further to my earlier post on this topic - I have downloaded the app on an iPhone 7.

My question / suggestion regarding the app - have a button on the app
Finally - while not mandatory to download - allow businesses to mandate that entry is only allowed if you show that you are running the app. I totally understand that this has many limitations - e.g. public transport, open areas like beaches and so on. But restaurants, pubs, work-places, theatres, etc could implement this. Now if one's objection to this is on the basis of personal privacy or whatever - businesses are allowed to do bag searches which IMO is much more invasive.

 

[tomlee1986]

As I found yesterday, people in that business may not have the app themselves.

Interesting point on bag searches, when are they allowed to override up one’s objections to doing your bag search?

There is a sign at the front of business as condition of entry - most stores normally do a glance as a search normally - not a detailed search anyway.. and only some of the times they check the bags..

 

[luxury-lizard]

Bag searches are not asking for personal details that could be used against you - and also they state that before you go in or not.. and also the government also said it is NOT mandatory either.. therefore you should not discriminate people for NOT using the app

Sorry @tomcut2000 - your objection doesn't hold up - firstly you could easily advise well before entry to a venue that running the app was a requirement; secondly if such a requirement was considered discriminatory then so would dress codes, bag searches, appearing to be intoxicated, ..... finally people who believe the app is "asking for personal details" - it's not the venue asking for these details - but people who feel that strongly about the app probably don't want to go to such venues anyway.

 

[tomlee1986]

Sorry @tomcut2000 - your objection doesn't hold up - firstly you could easily advise well before entry to a venue that running the app was a requirement; secondly if such a requirement was considered discriminatory then so would dress codes, bag searches, appearing to be intoxicated, ..... finally people who believe the app is "asking for personal details" - it's not the venue asking for these details - but people who feel that strongly about the app probably don't want to go to such venues anyway.

I still see the unnecessary need to have it as a compulsory installation... the app is good but as the government rightly pointed out.. it is personal choice whether to install or not

 

[luxury-lizard]

There is a sign at the front of business as condition of entry - most stores normally do a glance as a search normally - not a detailed search anyway.. and only some of the times they check the bags..

Can't resist responding to this as well with counter examples - performances at the Sydney Opera House certainly do more than a cursory search and even limit the size of bag you can have with you - same with the Australian Open Tennis in Melbourne - I'm sure there are many other examples. Many sporting and other venues do not allow you to bring in your own alcohol and in some cases even your own food.

 

[tomlee1986]

Can't resist responding to this as well with counter examples - performances at the Sydney Opera House certainly do more than a cursory search and even limit the size of bag you can have with you - same with the Australian Open Tennis in Melbourne - I'm sure there are many other examples. Many sporting and other venues do not allow you to bring in your own alcohol and in some cases even your own food.

The bag searches at venues are more of safety purposes at the event - but this app is only useful after the person left the place... and you said bag searches.. retail bag searches are different to those at venues... they don't allow those things for violent behaviours.. but the app is asking for personal details.. and the government is NOT asking for compulsory install.. therefore businesses should do the same

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Many sporting and other venues do not allow you to bring in your own alcohol and in some cases even your own food.

...which is simply to maximise their revenue by selling overpriced food and beverages.

 

[Quickstatus]

Private businesses are allowed to make up their own rules of entry into their premises subject to the relevant legislation.

I don’t see any problem with businesses asking for COVIDSafe app to be on. They have staff welfare to consider as well.

 

[Colin 2905]

Exactly Im sure Im not the only one to have spare phones around the house.

Even after disposing of several 2G-only and 2G / 3G2100-only 'phones, I still have 11 spares. Of those, 8 are Android, but only 4 are running 6.0 or later.

What are the powers that be actually counting? If each registration needs a unique mobile number to be counted, I've still got another 15 to choose from.

 

[Quickstatus]

..which is simply

Yes the point is businesses can have their own rules.