Australian Housing Affordability Discussion

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I have not looked at the latest census questions that we will be completing this month but hopefully it will help Australia work thru the major problems that have developed in the last decade.
We will be in New York on the census date.
My eldest son bought a three bedroom , 2 bathroom unit near Perth in the $500,000 to $600,000 range and walks to work most days which takes about 15 minutes.

Did he manage to get it during the era of Government handouts and/or state stamp duty reductions?
 
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No penegal he bought it in 2013. Now the pool and spa are in a central square with most of the the apartments looking inwards. My valuer friend did not like that until a bikini clad young lady walked into the pool area. He then smiled and said the value was confirmed.
 
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Saw this today - some more thoughts on the economic well-being.

"A record number of Australians are reporting debt trouble, financial worry and strain, and an inability to make minimum repayments on debts and loans, according to ME Bank research.
The Household Financial Comfort Report showed that 65 per cent of Australian households had outstanding debt, with the Household Financial Comfort Index dropping by four per cent to a national average of 5.37 out of 10 in the first half of 2016. Perceived comfort was measured on income, cash savings and net wealth, with baby boomers down seven per cent to record the highest level of concern among age groups.
Around 90 per cent of Australian households reported low-to-mid financial comfort, with only 10 per cent reporting high comfort — the fourth lowest comfort levels since ME Bank began conducting the survey nearly five years ago.
Related News: Record number of Aussies face financial woes
South Australia was found to be the most financially comfortable mainland state in Australia, rising two per cent, while all other mainland states recorded a fall. Financial comfort in Western Australia fell two per cent to a record low of 5.02 out of 10, while Victoria, which experienced a six per cent drop, remained Australia's most financially comfortable city — reporting a comfort level of 5.80 out of 10. Sydney sits slightly behind at this with a recorded 5.58 out of 10.
ME consulting economist, Jeff Oughton, said that Aussies were feeling vulnerable and were feeling the shocks associated with a lack of suitable jobs and working availability, as well as wage cuts and mortgage debt stress.
"With a lack of cash savings or equity buffer... the findings clearly indicate heightened concerns around the adequacy of income, the cost of necessities, lack of job availability and security as well as deterioration in expectations about meeting minimum debt payments and maintaining a standard of living in retirement," he said.
"There's a marked increase in households expecting to be unable to service their debts, despite record low borrowing costs."


Yesterday heard a statistic, may not be correct but here goes, there are more houses/units on the market in Brisbane and Melbourne than in Sydney at the moment. Total listings in SYD around 18,000 vs 26,000 in Brisbane and similar number in Mel.

Sales last weekend in Syd were around 500 vs 800 a year earlier.

Being a pedant, I automatically thought so 36 weeks of Sydney sales are currently on the market (18,000 / 500) - seems long to me. Curious on how many weeks worth of Brisbane sales the 26,000 listings are.
 
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When interest rates finally start to rise (and that may be 5 or more years away) many will get hurt if they don't use these current low interest rates to get their finances back in order.
 
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No penegal he bought it in 2013. Now the pool and spa are in a central square with most of the the apartments looking inwards. My valuer friend did not like that until a bikini clad young lady walked into the pool area. He then smiled and said the value was confirmed.

What would the value have been like if it had been a large man in budgie smugglers instead? :lol:
 
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I don't think it would have changed the valuers figure. I did 2 years of a valuation course at what is now called Curtin University. This has been very helpful over the years.
We have been selling a place every couple of years and paying the capital gains tax. Going from being the great acquirers to simplifying has been a good idea for us.
With governments around Australia raising all the property taxes (because they can) we have found selling to be an ok idea.
 
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I don't think it would have changed the valuers figure. I did 2 years of a valuation course at what is now called Curtin University. This has been very helpful over the years.
We have been selling a place every couple of years and paying the capital gains tax. Going from being the great acquirers to simplifying has been a good idea for us.
With governments around Australia raising all the property taxes (because they can) we have found selling to be an ok idea.
One lovely little cost to add into house sales is stamp duty - legalised theft that is,especially in Vic
 
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I don't think it would have changed the valuers figure. I did 2 years of a valuation course at what is now called Curtin University. This has been very helpful over the years.
We have been selling a place every couple of years and paying the capital gains tax. Going from being the great acquirers to simplifying has been a good idea for us.
With governments around Australia raising all the property taxes (because they can) we have found selling to be an ok idea.

But imagine how we can lower taxes for the big end of town by raising taxes on the people!
 
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One lovely little cost to add into house sales is stamp duty -

Otherwise known as the "dead money because you brought a property" tax - or maybe should be renamed as the "disincentive to move or buy property" tax".
 
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Otherwise known as the "dead money because you brought a property" tax - or maybe should be renamed as the "disincentive to move or buy property" tax".

Or taking a different point of view "Discourage day trading in property" tax (OK, extreme, but it* probably does prevent some of the more extreme speculation and short term turnover in properties, whilst of course providing lucrative revenue stream for state governments).

* and the CGT rules that don't allow CGT discounts for short term holdings
 
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Often. Off the plan sales involve no stamp duty, and can be flipped for perfect profit
 
Often. Off the plan sales involve no stamp duty, and can be flipped for perfect profit
But can also drop in value very quickly.

With the over supply we have right now I wouldn't want to be buying anything in the next few years. Wait until people start selling for some bargains.
 
Allegedly some house prices in Melbourne prices have gone down.

House prices continue to climb across Melbourne, forcing buyers to keep stretching their dollars further, but in some parts of the city it may be a little easier.
Median house prices have dropped in Melbourne’s traditional property strongholds in the first half of 2016, Domain Group data shows.
House prices in outer east have fallen 2 per cent to a median of $722,000 and in the inner east, prices are stagnant at a median of $1.4 million.

Mr Drossos said there was about a 30 per cent drop in Chinese buyers in their marketplace in the past six months compared with last year – and some offshore purchasers had been paying a premium.
“Once the policy changes occurred, the local market wasn’t paying what the overseas market was paying for property.”
Mr Drossos said some people also took a wait-and-see approach because of the federal election, and clearance rates and price achieved at auction had been higher after the election.

http://www.domain.com.au/news/house-prices-stagnate-in-some-pockets-of-melbourne-20160825-gr0od2/
 
I haven't been watching Melbourne, but NSW mid north coast certainly have dropped, time to look at a retirement/holiday house I think.

Matt
 
I haven't been watching Melbourne, but NSW mid north coast certainly have dropped, time to look at a retirement/holiday house I think.
How much of a drop? I was recently looking at Coffs Harbour, Port Macquarie, Foster/Tuncurry for investment and in my opinion $400,000+ is not a bargain.
 
How much of a drop? I was recently looking at Coffs Harbour, Port Macquarie, Foster/Tuncurry for investment and in my opinion $400,000+ is not a bargain.

I'd say around Port Macquarie 10% plus, no one there will admit it of course but I've been watching Port Macquarie for 2 years, watching and waiting.
 
Maybe just wait until the Chinese stop or are taxed out of the game.

Nocookies | The Australian

Canada’s lesson for the local property market

As buyers returned to the Sydney dwelling market over the weekend, taking auction clearances to a one-year high, on the other side of the Pacific in Vancouver, prices are down 20 to 30 per cent.
 
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If this is true, this could have a massive impact across the entire economy.

AUSTRALIA has roughly “six weeks” to prevent a housing market collapse caused by the banks’ crackdown on foreign investor lending, a US defence think tank has warned.

Meriton apartments: Harry Triguboff predicts more buyers will forfeit deposits

A “VERY significant” number of Chinese buyers are failing to settle their off-the-plan units and urgent action is needed to prevent a crisis, Australia’s richest man has warned.
Harry Triguboff, founder of Australia’s biggest apartment builder, Meriton, says he predicts an increasing number of Chinese buyers will be forced to forfeit their deposits as local banks pull funding and China cracks down on capital outflows.

Meriton apartments: Harry Triguboff predicts more buyers will forfeit deposits
 
Well given his company lives to make money out of selling apartments to buyers Harry may well feel this is a "crisis", others may well describe it as a much needed correction. Its been said before but no one has ever guaranteed prices will only go up, while I'm not overly happy if my property price drops 10-20% I for one have always known its a fairly strong possibility that after a strong run up there might be some deflation as well. And if I'm not being selfish I must admit I'm quite happy my children may actually get a chance to buy a house in their lifetime.
 
In six weeks AUSTRALIA has roughly “six weeks” to prevent a housing market collapse caused by the banks’ crackdown on foreign investor lending, a US defence think tank has said.
Where do they get this all from.

One article talks it up another down with the same conviction on the same day ......
 
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