Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Lynda2475]

No Id like to know local data.

We know one dose of AZ didn't stop the WA woman from acquiring and spreading the delta strain circulating here, but the 6 health care workers in attendance at the super spreader event would likely have had Pfizer - I would like that confirmed.

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So NSW Health in that case know it is at least 31, if not more

Of course they know (never said they didn't), they are obviously holding off on the fines until they extract the details of all the extra attendees. As soon as 30 was given as the number at the party red flag went off, too convenient to be the allowed limit.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

No Id like to know local data.

We know one dose of AZ didn't stop the WA woman from acquiring and spreading the delta strain circulating here, but the 6 health care workers in attendance at the super spreader event would likely have had Pfizer - I would like that confirmed.

A sample size of 10 will not confirm anything.

Besides you also need data on when vaccinated etc.

 

[Lynda2475]

A sample size of 10 will not confirm anything.

Disagree, it will confirm what is working in this current outbreak.

At the moment we have 1/2 partially AZ vaccinated testing positive vs likely 6/6 fully vaccinated with Pfizer testing negative.

you also need date on when vaccinated etc.

Yep, hopefully that will be forth coming. The best promo for getting vaccinated will be real Australian examples of people being fully vaccinated at a super spreader event and not getting Covid. Will also be excellent evidence to support making fully vaccinated people exempt from domestic travel restrictons.

 

[drron]

Though we do know that from the UK data that 1 dose of AZ vaccine reduced hospitalisations by 94% but 1 dose of Pfizer by 86%.
Also no evidence that Pfizer is any more efficient than AZ against the delta variant.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

A sample size of 10 will not confirm anything.

Besides you also need data on when vaccinated etc.

ie

More than 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid-19 in the U.S. even though they’ve been fully vaccinated, according to new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

So far, at least 750 fully vaccinated people have died after contracting Covid, but the CDC noted that 142 of those fatalities were asymptomatic or unrelated to Covid-19, according to data as of Monday that was released Friday.


The CDC received 3,907 reports of people who have been hospitalized with breakthrough Covid infections, despite being fully vaccinated. Of those, more than 1,000 of those patients were asymptomatic or their hospitalizations weren’t related to Covid-19, the CDC said.

CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination

At least 750 fully vaccinated people have died after contracting Covid but the CDC noted that 142 of those fatalities were asymptomatic or unrelated to Covid.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Pushka]

The CHO also banned singing for a week. No mention of touching the ball at an AFL match though.

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I expect the original 30 number was a slight underestimation so that the party was 'legal'.

Ahem. We have been told to Dodge Duck Dip Dive Dodge and keep away from hot sweaty men.

 

[Lynda2475]

Dying with Covid is not the same as dying from Covid.

You can choose to ignore local data, but local data is the most relevant given differences in universal health care, population demographics etc. People with African American and Hispanic heritage are over represented in the US hospitalization and death data.

 

[Pushka]

I heard today that second dose of both Pfizer and AZ was 96 and 92% respectively capable of preventing hospitalisation from Delta strain.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Dying with Covid is not the same as dying from Covid.

You can choose to ignore local data, but local data is the most relevant given differences in universal health care, population demographics etc.

I am not ignoring local data, I am just saying that a sample size of 10 is too small to draw any conclusions from.

 

[Lynda2475]

I heard today that second dose of both Pfizer and AZ was 96 and 92% respectively capable of preventing hospitalisation from Delta strain.

Well hopefully they will find local examples of fully vaccinated with AZ dodging infection having been at a Bondi cluster exposure site.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I heard today that second dose of both Pfizer and AZ was 96 and 92% respectively capable of preventing hospitalisation from Delta strain.

Yes there are a number of UK reports with more meaningful numbers that are very promising.

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Well hopefully they will find local examples of fully vaccinated with AZ dodging infection having been at a Bondi cluster exposure site.

Well one could look at Arcare, but again the sample size is too small.

A second Arcare Maidstone resident has been diagnosed COVID-19 positive. The second resident’s initial test had been previously indeterminate and further testing showed a positive result.​

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The second positive case is a close contact of the initial positive resident. The second resident has received both doses of the Pfizer vaccine and is asymptomatic.​

So had Pfizer, and became positive. International studies show both vaccines work very well.

 

[jb747]

More than 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid-19 in the U.S. even though they’ve been fully vaccinated, according to new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Notice the wording is "with Covid", not "of Covid".

 

[JessicaTam]

[mod hat]
It is unfortunate that once again I have remind folks that this is not the vaccination thread,

Please take that elsewhere as you can't vaccinate against infractions.
[/mod hat]

 

[justinbrett]

Of course they know (never said they didn't), they are obviously holding off on the fines until they extract the details of all the extra attendees. As soon as 30 was given as the number at the party red flag went off, too convenient to be the allowed limit.

I don't think that's necessarily true, I know many people planning events that use every last spot. When the cap is a low number it's pretty common for people to go for the maximum they can.

Also it's 30 visitors - not 30 total. How many people lived there?

 

[Lynda2475]

I don't think that's necessarily true, I know many people planning events that use every last spot. When the cap is a low number it's pretty common for people to go for the maximum they can.

I would agree with you when its at a venue with QR checking for an event like a wedding or funeral, however leaving off details like your father travelled from interstate to attend, and only admitting it when he tested positive sounds alarm bells.

Also it's 30 visitors - not 30 total. How many people lived there?

Good point but Hazzard said it was 30 "attendees" not 30 guests. It may explain the mathematics if say 4 people lived there plus 30 guests. Hopefully its clarified. An attendee could include household members, guests would not.

 

[RooFlyer]

Performance in what exactly?

Oh, everything the Feds do I think what is meant. Its all the Fed's fault - especially states imposing lockdowns, states not running HQ properly (or at least not achieving 0% 'escapes', economic damage when the states lockdown ... you name it. Can't force overseas suppliers to give us more vaccine doses. Just as big a yawn as the State of Origin tit-for-tats that go on endlessly.

I've just cancelled a wine & long lunches trip to SA, so will be snuggling back down here in Tas, awaiting the inevitable case or more appearing and the consequent local lock-down. I have stocked up on canned goods (and wine).

 

[justinbrett]

Oh, everything the Feds do I think what is meant. Its all the Fed's fault - especially states imposing lockdowns, states not running HQ properly (or at least not achieving 0% 'escapes', economic damage when the states lockdown ... you name it. Can't force overseas suppliers to give us more vaccine doses. Just as big a yawn as the State of Origin tit-for-tats that go on endlessly.

I've just cancelled a wine & long lunches trip to SA, so will be snuggling back down here in Tas, awaiting the inevitable case or more appearing and the consequent local lock-down. I have stocked up on canned goods (and wine).

Yes, I knew that's what he meant, I was hoping he detail his grievances. He didn't, so couldn't have been that pressing

I don't praise the federal government unconditionally, they've definitely made some mistakes, but I don't get the people who let state premiers get away with murder* and then blame the federal government for those mistakes. The whole "ah we've made a mess of HQ but we shouldn't be doing it anyway!"

*Not literally

 

[bcworld]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409418025472725001

I guess the airport will miraculously no longer be an exposure site now.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409418025472725001

I guess the airport will miraculously no longer be an exposure site now.

Well that is extremely good news.

A 5 hour exposure time in setting like that was initially very concerning news, and so I am most glad that it turned out to be incorrect.

 

[dajop]

Yes, I knew that's what he meant, I was hoping he detail his grievances. He didn't, so couldn't have been that pressing

I don't praise the federal government unconditionally, they've definitely made some mistakes, but I don't get the people who let state premiers get away with murder* and then blame the federal government for those mistakes. The whole "ah we've made a mess of HQ but we shouldn't be doing it anyway!"

*Not literally

I think there's been enough escapes from HQ and/or airports and/or transport between HQ and the airport, across most states (as well as in NZ Taiwan and Singapore), that we need to stop blaming governments and Premiers/PMs- whether they be state or federal for everything . The virus is insidious and will exploit any weakness. The federal government bet big on AZ - understandably due to local production capability - and it backfired unfortunately. If it had worked out, the country would have been further down the path. Of course Seven and Nine and their like, with their shock horror brand of nightly news have not helped anyone other than their shareholders with the way the report everything.

As far as the federal government goes, got to give Greg Hunt a lot of credit for fronting up and answering the questions - you can see he's the government's punching bag. But, I do question the advice the PM is getting from his minders - he seems to be conspicuously absent whenever there's bad or less than positive news, that job always goes to Greg or Josh. Leadership isn't about handing over difficult discussion to your deputies.