Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[moa999]

NSW.
40000 tests
38 new cases
- 18 isolating entire time
- 9 part of time
- 11 in the community

 

[lovetravellingoz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1412939556286963713

Note that there are now 11 people in ICU.

 

[Lynda2475]

Not sure what is hilarious.

The Sydney settings are not as strict ad the Melbourne settings were. The 5km rule being but one difference. Hence it is a lighter form of lockdown.

ie Other retail will close except for contactless click and collect services, whereas in Sydney people could still say walk in and by a dress.

Its hilarious cause our restrictions are not "lite" there are some minor differences from Melbourne (who many argue go well beyond what is necessary) like 5km rule, curfew (completely useless) and a few more shops open - that doesn't change the fact that what the behaviors the CHO is concerned about would not be remotely impacted by adopting those.

Also dedicated dress shops aren't open, some department stores i.e. Kmart (which also sell dresses) are because they also sell essentials. Its not like Westfields is open BAU with thousands of shoppers just going around window shopping and clothes shopping.

Business who have been opened who should (a random hairdresser at Liverpool yesterday) have been reported, fines and forced to close.

There is a balancing act between mental health and economy which thankfully the NSW government understand and doesn't fee the need to be draconian.

 

[Lynda2475]

Household visits are flagged as key problem. 5km rule would assist in controlling that.

Not when the main households involved are already within 5km of each other.

Dr Chant has also clarified why some of those stores are allowed to trade "people may need blankets, rugs, school shoes, these are the sort of things that are defined as essential."

When you have a bunch of ignorant people ignoring the directives that matter i.e. socializing between households (inside, close contact, no masks), adding extra restrictions to those already doing the right thing achieves nothing extra but does cause extra economic stress and mental anguish.

There are certain dominant cultural groups in the areas of concern "Bossley Park, Smithfield, Fairfield, Glenfield, West Hoxton Park, Greenacre, St Johns Park, Bonnyrigg, Bankstown, Roselands" which have been a problem in other states too.

 

[justinbrett]

If there is one thing I have leant in this pandemic is that epidemiologists ' will have a vast number of varying opinions. (not surprising as there are so many variables). Other epidemiologists have said the lockdown should have occurred earlier. Certainly many were very critical of only locking down some LGA's rather than all of Sydney. Especially when they could move outside of those LGA's.

OK, so when you said:

Yes going earlier and stricter works better.

That should be read as "I'm not an epidemiologist, and even they can't agree, but the ones I like say that going earlier and stricter works better"

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Not when the main households involved are already within 5km of each other.

Dr Chant has also clarified why some of those stores are allowed to trade "people may need blankets, rugs, school shoes, these are the sort of things that are defined as essential."

When you have a bunch of ignorant people ignoring the directives that matter i.e. socializing between households (inside, close contact, no masks), adding extra restrictions to those already doing the right thing achieves nothing extra but does cause extra economic stress and mental anguish.

Click and collect (or getting delivered) allows all of those things to be purchased. With schools closed not sure why it would be essential to buy schools shoes in person now.

Dr Chant and Gladys also encouraging people to stop going out browsing etc. and not not go out at all unless they have to.


As for the 5km rule. without it people can just be out and about. It allows more mixing. That person visiting someone more than 5km away cannot claim they are out shopping.

No 5km rule also means more people using public transport, and also longer exposure times.


Now it is entirely up to NSW Health to decide what lockdown measures to use, but they are less strict than what was used in Melbourne.

 

[bcworld]

Chant: "Overnight we've seen cases pop up everywhere".

 

[lovetravellingoz]

OK, so when you said:

Yes going earlier and stricter works better.

That should be read as "I'm not an epidemiologist, and even they can't agree, but the ones I like say that going earlier and stricter works better"

No. I was offering my opinion. In my opinion minimising mixing slows or cuts off the transmission chains and allows contact tracing to get on top of clusters.

It is also why I believe in the second ring method. However these newer variants make it it more difficult for contract tracing and the second ring method to work.

 

[justinbrett]

No. I was offering my opinion.

OK, maybe you should become an epidemiologist - I'm just reporting what they said, I'm not qualified to have this argument. I dare say neither are you.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

OK, maybe you should become an epidemiologist - I'm just reporting what they said, I'm not qualified to have this argument. I dare say neither are you.

No I am not, but this is the AFF and not the EFF, and so I believe we are all free to post in this thread.

Aspects like Jobkeeper availability are also just a matter of fact. Jobkeeper was ended back in March and the Feds have stated that it is not coming back.

 

[justinbrett]

No I am not, but this is the AFF and not the EFF, and so I believe we are all free to post in this thread.

Absolutely, but you should probably qualify when you are giving your opinion vs stating fact. Your statement had no such qualification and is not based on fact. I'm calling you out on that.

 

[dajop]

I always try and get "news" and sometimes even news from diverse sources. Last night happened to watch a certain Sydney based octogenarian broadcaster ranting and frothing at the mouth on GroundNews. Not happy with Gladys any more, she's apparently now evil like Dan.

But anyway, some graphics were put up .... and statement made about looking at a "real statistic", comparing COVID to the flue ... that in 2019 we had nearly 300,000 cases of flu and 705 deaths in 9 months, but in 18 months of coronavirus we've had "just over 30,000 cases, not 300,000 and only 910 deaths". then asking where were the lockdowns, border closures, mandatory masks for the flu outbreak in 2019? We shouldn't be having them now, because we didn't have them for the flu. Hello? Cause and effect?

Hopefully with vaccines we won't need any of these additional measures. But my brain melts down when trying to think through the logic of his commentary, essentially saying because measures were put in place, COVID was not worse than the flu, and because it was no worse than the flu, we shouldn't need all these additional measures. Huh?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Trend in NSW not looking good

Date	Local acquired	Overseas acquired	Isolating during infectious period	Partially isolating during infectious period	ICU (total)	Ventilator (total)
17-Jun​	2​	1​			0​
18-Jun​	2​	0​			0​
19-Jun​	2​	4​			0​
20-Jun​	2​	3​			0​
21-Jun​	2​	5​			1​
22-Jun​	5​	0​			1​
23-Jun​	10​	1​			1​
24-Jun​	18​	1​			0​
25-Jun​	11​	1​			1​
26-Jun​	29​	0​	12 (41%)		1​
27-Jun​	30​	2​	11 (37%)	3 (10%)	1​
28-Jun​	18​	3​	6 (33%)	3 (17%)	2​
29-Jun​	19​	1​	7 (37%)	2 (11%)	1​
30-Jun​	22​	6​	11 (50%)	5 (23%)	1​
1-Jul​	24​	4​	9 (38%)	3 (13%)	2​	1​
2-Jul​	31​	1​	11 (35%)	3 (10%)	3​	0​
3-Jul​	35​	5​	23 (66%)	3 (9%)	5​	0​
4-Jul​	16​	0​	13 (81%)	1 (6%)	5​	0​
5-Jul​	35​	2​	24 (69%)	4 (11%)	4​	0​
6-Jul​	18​	0​	11 (61%)	5 (28%)	6​	2​
7-Jul​	27​	1​	13 (48%)	7 (26%)	7​	2​
8-Jul​	38​	1​	17 (45%)	9 (24%)	11​	3​
9-Jul​	???
10-Jul​
11-Jul​
12-Jul​
13-Jul​
14-Jul​

 

[burmans]

It's going to be a very 'brave' government that decides to 'let it rip' at this level of vaccination. I suspect there will be a lot of questions at today's press conference about Hazzard's comments yesterday...will be interesting to see if he can keep a lid on his temper, or Gladys will take those ones and walk back yesterday's statement.

I felt they answered that quite well, vaccinate, vaccinate.

 

[burmans]

I've spoken to a lot of friends in NSW recently and the brutal truth is I think a lot of people support the open up and let it ride approach. If it means closure to the rest of Australia so be it, but that could be offset by being open to UK, Europe & the US.

If I've learnt one thing in life, its that you shouldn't only listen to your friends. All you will get is an echo chamber, sometime you need to hear differing views.

 

[bcworld]

I always try and get "news" and sometimes even news from diverse sources. Last night happened to watch a certain Sydney based octogenarian broadcaster ranting and frothing at the mouth on GroundNews. Not happy with Gladys any more, she's apparently now evil like Dan.

But anyway, some graphics were put up .... and statement made about looking at a "real statistic", comparing COVID to the flue ... that in 2019 we had nearly 300,000 cases of flu and 705 deaths in 9 months, but in 18 months of coronavirus we've had "just over 30,000 cases, not 300,000 and only 910 deaths". then asking where were the lockdowns, border closures, mandatory masks for the flu outbreak in 2019? We shouldn't be having them now, because we didn't have them for the flu. Hello? Cause and effect?

Hopefully with vaccines we won't need any of these additional measures. But my brain melts down when trying to think through the logic of his commentary, essentially saying because measures were put in place, COVID was not worse than the flu, and because it was no worse than the flu, we shouldn't need all these additional measures. Huh?

IN MY OPINION...if it's on Skynews after 6PM...it's not "news". It's opinion and it's jammed hard against one end of the spectrum. It's entertainment for a particular group of people who are titillated by it...the more extreme and outlandish the better. I did see some angst today as Credlin has apparently referred to the Sydney lockdown as a "Clayton's lockdown" on 2GB. The problem for people like Jones is that this lockdown is playing havoc with a large part of their narrative targeted at certain premiers.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Absolutely, but you should probably qualify when you are giving your opinion vs stating fact. Your statement had no such qualification and is not based on fact. I'm calling you out on that.

Why? It is a forum. The vast majority of posters will post their opinions without stating such a qualification most of the time.


As to lockdowns, there have been enough around the world to form opinions on how effective they can be and that the later they are used the more difficult the task is.

My opinion it would seem is different than yours.

 

[justinbrett]

I think forums get a bit

IN MY OPINION...if it's on Skynews after 6PM...it's not "news". It's opinion and it's jammed hard against one end of the spectrum. It's entertainment for a particular group of people who are titillated by it...the more extreme and outlandish the better. I did see some angst today as Credlin has apparently referred to the Sydney lockdown as a "Clayton's lockdown" on 2GB. The problem for people like Jones is that this lockdown is playing havoc with a large part of their narrative targeted at certain premiers.

It is literally not news, they are panel shows, they didn't even cover the PM or McGowan's pressers in full the other week when they occurred during the prime time shows.

Sometimes I want to watch news in the evening and neither ABC or Sky deliver. I do like Sky in the day though.

 

[dajop]

It's entertainment for a particular group of people who are titillated by it...the more extreme and outlandish the better.

Oh, totally agree. And not even designed for the traditional SkyNews "live" broadcast viewers, instead specifically structured and edited to be promoted and pushed into feeds by the youtube algorithm.

 

[justinbrett]

Why? It is a forum. The vast majority of posters will post their opinions without stating such a qualification most of the time.


As to lockdowns, there have been enough around the world to form opinions on how effective they can be and that the later they are used the more difficult the task is.

My opinion it would seem is different than yours.

My bad for thinking this was a reports of the virus spread thread, not a "what I reckon about the virus" thread.

It's really not that hard when writing, when making a subjective statement, to qualify it as such. Most other posters manage to do it - or at least are happy to be called out on it and will correct the record.

I don't believe I gave my opinion. I think I went out of my way to say that I refer to the epidemiologists who are more qualified to comment.