Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Port Power]

Really? I’d would have been surprised if 76% of Australians saw a GP, let alone a dedicated one. There you go!

I guess I’m in the 24%… (nothing against GPs I just move a lot and don’t need to do to a doctor often)

Most families I see on a daily basis DO attend a regular GP practice (97%). With kids, that’s the norm. I am well and on no medication, so rarely see my GP, maybe once every two years. But still the same GP or someone at that practice. But I know grown men are different….

 

[serfty]

Many examples- here are but two.

Most using prescriptive contraception would have a regular GP.

Most having annual precautionary blood tests (e.g. Prostrate, Iron, Blood sugar) would have a regular GP.

Those who don't have a regular GP are the exception.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Many examples- here are but two.

Most using prescriptive contraception would have a regular GP.

Most having annual precautionary blood tests (e.g. Prostrate, Iron, Blood sugar) would have a regular GP.

Those who don't have a regular GP are the exception.

No. Most 20-50 yo rarely see a GP so do not have a regular relationship with one.

 

[justinbrett]

Apparently the origin decision came from a cabinet meeting today.

Seems likely tomorrow will see further restrictions, and possibly even expansion of the lockdown into other areas of the state.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Apparently the origin decision came from a cabinet meeting today.

Seems likely tomorrow will see further restrictions, and possibly even expansion of the lockdown into other areas of the state.

It’s just so unfortunate that NSW didn’t follow epidemiologists’ advice and lockdown earlier.

Now they have had to reverse previous public advice and list credibility which has caused a lot of the noncompliance.

 

[jakeseven7]

Apparently the origin decision came from a cabinet meeting today.

Seems likely tomorrow will see further restrictions, and possibly even expansion of the lockdown into other areas of the state.

Well they need to really get on top of what is essential retail and what is not judging by a quick peruse of the exposure sites it’s a little comical….

 

[justinbrett]

Well they need to really get on top of what is essential retail and what is not judging by a quick peruse of the exposure sites it’s a little comical….

Hey - BBQs are essential. Man needs fire to cook food.

 

[Lynda2475]

For goodness sake, how on earth could anyone argue against the advice " ask your doctor" ... for health related advice. But it seems they do

You need to read what was written and stop with the faux outrage over things that have never been said.

I didnt argue against anyone consulting a GP if they want to, i simply stated the fact that there are approved recommended vaccines for cohorts and if you choose the recoomended one you can get that vaccine via a state hub without a GP consult.

It is good thing that a GP consult isnt mandated to get vaccinated, as adding hurdles to the process would make less people likely to bother.

24% of the populations is 6 million people, so when i said many people dont have a regular GP that is indeed correct, 6 million not a few.



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[jase05]

Well they need to really get on top of what is essential retail and what is not judging by a quick peruse of the exposure sites it’s a little comical….

We are no experts on lockdowns in SA but in our first one places like Bunnings were only open to tradies (who were deemed essential).
The roads were almost deserted when I travelled to work as only essential workers were allowed out, we had a piece of paper which we had to produce when police invariably pulled us over. I think in a 5 day period I was pulled over 4 times. Places like Cafes etc were closed

 

[justinbrett]

It’s just so unfortunate that NSW didn’t follow epidemiologists’ advice and lockdown earlier.

Now they have had to reverse previous public advice and list credibility which has caused a lot of the noncompliance.

I can’t disagree with you more strongly. The situation today, 14 days after the initial lockdown, is due to behaviour during the lockdown, not before. It is due to non-compliance that we find ourselves in the position we are in today. The case numbers 14 days ago were manageable and a lockdown (or even just contact tracing with close contacts isolating - which they didn't) would have been enough to stop it spreading.

There’s absolutely no evidence that an earlier lockdown would have led to a different result, mostly because the virus is spreading by people not following the rules, which would have happened even if the lockdown started earlier.

Having said that, 50 cases is not out of control, especially during a lockdown, so it can still be turned around, but they need to enforce compliance.

However, they need to find a model that suits Sydney, not just copy & paste from Melbourne.

 

[wenglock.mok]

I can’t disagree with you more strongly. The situation today, 14 days after the initial lockdown, is due to behaviour during the lockdown, not before. It is due to non-compliance that we find ourselves in the position we are in today. The case numbers 14 days ago were manageable and a lockdown (or even just contact tracing with close contacts isolating - which they didn't) would have been enough to stop it spreading.

I absolutely agree - it has been mentioned numerous times that a significant number of the transmissions recorded in recent days were not from retail or outdoor activities but from household transmissions. I suspect some of it is possibly not understanding the restrictions fully, but a lot of it unfortunately is blatant disregard (I don’t use that word lightly as I know a few in my circle who are doing just that) and just covid-fatigue in general.

In that vein, it is a little sad we have gone 14 days now and not achieved anything really.

 

[Lynda2475]

Exactly.

All the rage from interstate on this thread re some shops being open in Sydney completely ignores the fact that the spread since lockdown began is predominantly occurring via household gatherings in breach of restrictions. Whilst there are retail exposure sites, confirmed transmission sites since 27th have been mainly been homes and workplaces, not people shopping.

For all the talk of fleeting transmission there appears to have only been the one case of that in first few days. Dr Chart noted again today that proximity and time is what is driving most cases.

Most shops are closed, those that are open are mostly empty except the supermarket.

Selfish people choosing to disregard the current restrictions is what is driving this. They have choosen to visit extended family or friends or host a party or go to work with symptoms and then lie to contract tracers. Its pathetic and criminal.

 

[suze2000]

The "lockdown" is too soft.

All non-grocery retail must be click and collect. Hardware stores open for trade card holders only - otherwise click and collect or delivery. Cafes and restaurants to close everything except a single takeaway window. Florists again click and collect or phone and collect or delivery. No-one needs to go in to choose a floral arrangement for a funeral, this can be done over the phone.

The language is too soft.

GB on the telly again, asking people to "please" comply. The phrase is "you must" comply.
And stand there and tell the reporters ala Dan last year, every day, as necessary, that you can't walk along with a coffee cup in your hand and pretend to drink it so you don't have to wear a mask, that you can't car pool with anyone not living in your home. That you can't have anyone over who is not an intimate partner. How hard is it to implement and explain actual rules that will work? It's so frustrating watching this because it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The number of close contacts is roughly similar to the number of household contacts becoming positive. So to say its mainly household spread is just plain wrong.

We all know what a lockdown should be like (having gone through the national lockdown), but Sydney was clearly not following this in essence. But that was when covid was the great unknown.

One of the NSW authorities' mantra is to bring the community along and that clearly hasn't happen.

Its fine if there is covid-fatigue, but it needs to be counteracted. We all have lived with covid for 18 months and there is an ever-growing segment that thinks they know how it works. You can see it across all the AFF covid threads. So more rules are bent and broken. This also needs to be counteracted.

 

[justinbrett]

The "lockdown" is too soft.

All non-grocery retail must be click and collect. Hardware stores open for trade card holders only - otherwise click and collect or delivery. Cafes and restaurants to close everything except a single takeaway window for coffee. Florists again click and collect or phone and collect or delivery. No-one needs to go in to choose a floral arrangement for a funeral, this can be done over the phone.

The language is too soft.

GB on the telly again, asking people to "please" comply. The phrase is "you must" comply.
And stand there and tell the reporters ala Dan last year, every day, as necessary, that you can't walk along with a coffee cup in your hand and pretend to drink it so you don't have to wear a mask, that you can't car pool with anyone not living in your home. That you can't have anyone over who is not an intimate partner. How hard is it to implement and explain actual rules that will work? It's so frustrating watching this because it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck.

Let's start enforcing the existing rules before we resort to making them harsher....

The number of close contacts is roughly similar to the number of household contacts becoming positive. So to say its mainly household spread is just plain wrong.

No, that's NOT what was said. It is mainly FAMILY and CLOSE FRIENDS it is being spread to. Kerry Chant specifically brought this up today that your household doesn't include your Nan down the street or your cousin in the next suburb.

 

[wenglock.mok]

No, that's NOT what was said. It is mainly FAMILY and CLOSE FRIENDS it is being spread to. Kerry Chant specifically brought this up today that your household doesn't include your Nan down the street or your cousin in the next suburb.

I do apologise - that was probably due to my reply above not being worded correctly. What I actually meant to say was a significant number of the recent transmissions were, as you rightly pointed out above, due to extended family and close friends gathering within households.

Sorry for causing the misunderstanding.

In any case, if the trend keeps going the way it is, we are likely in for harsher restrictions and in some ways, we have (or some of us have) unfortunately brought this upon ourselves.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I absolutely agree - it has been mentioned numerous times that a significant number of the transmissions recorded in recent days were not from retail or outdoor activities but from household transmissions. I suspect some of it is possibly not understanding the restrictions fully, but a lot of it unfortunately is blatant disregard (I don’t use that word lightly as I know a few in my circle who are doing just that) and just covid-fatigue in general.

In that vein, it is a little sad we have gone 14 days now and not achieved anything really.

Let's start enforcing the existing rules before we resort to making them harsher....



No, that's NOT what was said. It is mainly FAMILY and CLOSE FRIENDS it is being spread to. Kerry Chant specifically brought this up today that your household doesn't include your Nan down the street or your cousin in the next suburb.

It was the first one (quoted above) I was mainly referring to but also Lynda's post sounded similar but has since been edited so I'm not sure if I was reading it wrong or not (while watching the tennis lol). The first post makes it sound like it is household contacts that were going out into the community while infectious.

I know NSW Health says to positive cases to isolate from the whole household as well, but I do wonder what they tell household contacts.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The "lockdown" is too soft.

All non-grocery retail must be click and collect. Hardware stores open for trade card holders only - otherwise click and collect or delivery. Cafes and restaurants to close everything except a single takeaway window for coffee. Florists again click and collect or phone and collect or delivery. No-one needs to go in to choose a floral arrangement for a funeral, this can be done over the phone.

The language is too soft.

GB on the telly again, asking people to "please" comply. The phrase is "you must" comply.
And stand there and tell the reporters ala Dan last year, every day, as necessary, that you can't walk along with a coffee cup in your hand and pretend to drink it so you don't have to wear a mask, that you can't car pool with anyone not living in your home. That you can't have anyone over who is not an intimate partner. How hard is it to implement and explain actual rules that will work? It's so frustrating watching this because it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck.

Honestly in an internet age - everything (groceries, Bunnigs, etc) can be click and collect or delivered, except for the small percentage of the population without internet.

 

[justinbrett]

Honestly in an internet age - everything (groceries, Bunnigs, etc) can be click and collect or delivered, except for the small percentage of the population without internet.

And the elderly or special needs people not up to ordering on a computer

And the brutal fact that if everybody shopped online, the supermarkets wouldn't have the capacity to handle it.

 

[N860CR]

In that vein, it is a little sad we have gone 14 days now and not achieved anything really.

We’ve gone 18 months and not achieved anything really. The same knee jerk reactions. Only saving grace is we have a vaccine that is being rolled out too slowly.

This obsession certain people have with “lockdowns” is quite fascinating. Reading the response from some members of the public and some on this forum, you’d think they want a national lockdown every time someone sneezes. I guess there are plenty in this country who have the benefit of not needing to work or pay bills. That’s about the only way I can understand their bizarre opinions.

Covid Zero is not happening. Ever. Why we can’t accept that is beyond me.