Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[justinbrett]

You tend to dismiss any suggestion that just maybe NSW isn’t perfect.

You've quoted my post that includes NSW having people in ICU and death.

Clearly I do not think that is the case.

 

[antycbr]

Yes, this is what I thought you were implying and I'm glad you've now said it.

That is why they would ban masks. It was similar to closing schools early on last year "to send a signal" despite the evidence saying that schools were safe.

I'm arguing with the scientific merit of mandating masks outside, but sure, it definitely sends a signal. It does end the "treat NSW citizens as adults" angle they've used so far, but I'm the first to admit some citizens have abused that and thus harsher measures are needed.

Sorry edited but yes behavioural = psychological.

Gladys needs to stop thanking people. Time to get angry. More of Friday’s style of comms.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The comment about " I would be shocked if it wasn't over 100 cases tomorrow" makes me wonder something. What is the lag time between the lab identifying a positive case and NSW Health knowing. Minutes? Hourly update? Give its a 15 hour delay from 8pm to the 11am press conference she must already have a fairly good idea of tomorrows numbers hence the comment.

Yes they will know that.


The other thing that they know is with variant being so much more transmissible is that the % of people who live in a household that will become positive, or who are already are, is very high.

So say of you get 50 positive cases and your quick initial interval reveals that they are living with say 150 combined people then you will know it is very likely that a very high number of that 150 will test positive within several days.

 

[hydrabyss]

Sorry but it’s not enough.
It’s clear people are still gathering in homes

I am not sure what level of restrictions will stop some of these people. I still have neighbours crossing the street for their daily gasbag.

 

[antycbr]

I am not sure what level of restrictions will stop some of these people. I still have neighbours crossing the street for their daily gasbag.

Get your hose out hehe. A quick squirt of the hose should slow them down.

 

[clifford]

I am not sure what level of restrictions will stop some of these people. I still have neighbours crossing the street for their daily gasbag.

Hope you're dobbing them in....

 

[TheRealTMA]

A good article in the Age today detailing why Glady’s approach has learned nothing from the response in Melbourne.

Mission misfire: Why the uniform approach to the pandemic is wrong

Making a military officer the leader – the public face – of the vaccine rollout is not just a mistake, it is counter-productive.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Lynda2475]

and those that are can be pulled over by police and questioned about there comings and goings

Which can and does already happen. Police already have the powers to check if you are out in breach of health orders no matter what the time of day

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Give its a 15 hour delay from 8pm to the 11am press conference she must already have a fairly good idea of tomorrows numbers hence the comment.

Which is why the old system where they used to announce extra cases since 8pm was much much better, but some people whinged they coudlnt understand so now we all get delayed information which helps no one.

 

[antycbr]

Which can and does already happen. Police already have the powers to check if you are out in breach of health orders no matter whatt he time of day

However the permitted reasons would be modified to remove the exercise reason and potentially the care giving reason during curfew hours.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

33 in the community and 22 cases unlinked as of now after two weeks of lockdown-lite do not make for a quick resolution.

So what will the exit triggers be?

It probably will be 3-5 days (but 1 week does sound like a round figure) of zero cases out in the community while infectious

This could end up being a 2 month lockdown unless Gladys starts dropping the hammer.
Time for niceties to end and get the Police/ADF out into the streets

Yes, already noted it will probably be at least a total 10 weeks given the trajectory and comparison to Sydney Winter 2020 outbreak. The numbers (non-isolating while infectious now v totals of 2020) are now outpacing - so may be 14-16 weeks, unless there is a strong turnaround.

 

[moa999]

other aspect is psychological. Telling people that they can’t leave their house is a huge message to everyone.

We are already being told that.

A curfew also means more chance of interaction.

Say 1000 people in the area have to use the supermarket that day.

By stopping some going from 8-11/12pm you increase the number of people in the supermarket during other hours.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

We are already being told that.

A curfew also means more chance of interaction.

Say 1000 people in the area have to use the supermarket that day.

By stopping some going from 8-11/12pm you increase the number of people in the supermarket during other hours.

In reality this doesn't seem to be an issue. During the harsh Vic lockdowns (with curfew) I went to the supermarket every Sunday morning at 8am. It was just as quiet then as it is now out of lockdown.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The common property one is to enforce it INSIDE, so nothing to do with outside masks.

There's no evidence of transmission outdoors (Kerry Chant spoke about this a few days ago). Efforts should focus on enforcing existing rules, not making new ones. There's no point locking your windows when you've got the front door wide open.

By that logic there is no publicised evidence of transmission inside common property. Going from your unit front door to the apartment block front door is a huge risk obviously.

 

[Lynda2475]

Re common property,those living in houses may not realise that for those living under strata (apartment complexes, gated communities) that in order to got to mailbox, receive deliveries, take out garbage to the bins, get to your car or hang laundry on clotheslines requires us to transit common property (hallways, foyers, carparks, private roads). Even private balaconies are defined as common property.

You cant ban people from accessing common property and Im not seeing any reports of time spent on common property apart from in gyms (which in my community was closed on day one of the lockdown along wth the pool and bbq area ) being a huge site of spread.

There is a much larger issue with idiots inviting people inside their homes than taking the garbage out in a strata complex.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Which can and does already happen. Police already have the powers to check if you are out in breach of health orders no matter what the time of day

Post automatically merged: Jul 11, 2021

Which is why the old system where they used to announce extra cases since 8pm was much much better, but some people whinged they coudlnt understand so now we all get delayed information which helps no one.

Is there much difference between say "50 cases since 8pm last night" and there were "77 cases in the 24 hours to 8pm last night???

 

[justinbrett]

By that logic there is no publicised evidence of transmission inside common property. Going from your unit front door to the apartment block front door is a huge risk obviously.

That's a bit disingenuous - the conditions of the virus spreading indoors (whether that be a workplace, retail store or apartment building) is quite different to the open air.

I live in an apartment building and when I've been tested previously in the isolation rules it specifically says you have to wear a mask if you need to access common areas of your building (essential for rubbish or collecting groceries for example). This was more about fixing a loophole rather than a new threat. I consider the entire building my residence, not just my unit (I have a storage cage on another level for example).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re common property,those living in houses may not realise that for those living under strata (apartment complexes, gated communities) that in order to got to mailbox, receive deliveries, take out of garbage, get to your car or hang laundry on clotheslines requires us to transit common property (hallways, foyers, provate roads). Even private balaconues are defined as common property.

You cant ban people from acessing common property and Im not seeing any reports of time spent on common propert apart from in gyms (which in my community was closed on day one of the lockdown along wth the pool and bbq area ) being a huge site of spread.

We know sharing a [quarantine] hotel corridor can transmit the virus Some blocks may have open and airy corridors, others might be more hotel-like. It would be difficult to have different rules for different types of housing block.

 

[antycbr]

We are already being told that.

A curfew also means more chance of interaction.

Say 1000 people in the area have to use the supermarket that day.

By stopping some going from 8-11/12pm you increase the number of people in the supermarket during other hours.

Not true. Remember the rule about stopping more than one person per household per day from going to the supermarket? That cuts the numbers.

I’d wager that a significant proportion of movement after about 8pm is nothing to do with essential food. It’s family visiting or return therefrom, parties and drinking, tinder hookups and the like…

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

We are already being told that.

A curfew also means more chance of interaction.

Say 1000 people in the area have to use the supermarket that day.

By stopping some going from 8-11/12pm you increase the number of people in the supermarket during other hours.

Yeah and most people could do click and collect or delivery to reduce the amount of interaction time.

 

[Lynda2475]

Is there much difference between say "50 cases since 8pm last night" and there were "77 cases in the 24 hours to 8pm last night???

Before would be told there were 77 up to 8pm last night, and another 50 since then in the time to press conference. The press conference could then call out any important factors re the cases since 8pm as well instead of waiting another 24 hours.