Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[dajop]

The press conferences are chalk and cheese - NSW seems chaotic, no key messaging, pleading with people, helicopters. Victoria has key facts and messages down clearly and Jeroen is across the detail. Brad Hazzard in NSW adds nothing to the conferences whatsoever.

Victoria had 5 months of practice with press conferences last year But Dan if nothing else, is consistent in messaging "this thing doesn't care about ..." " .. get the job done .." etc etc ..

He also got the claws out yesterday a bit, when the journalist rabble were yelling and screaming trying to get their questions heard, basically saying calm down, this is Victoria, we stay until all your questions are answered (thinly veiled reference to NSW, Qld and federal governments).

 

[jakeseven7]

Does this help?

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Wait so this means there are about 170 yet to be linked / mystery cases in NSW right now?

So how can this be explained. The removalists who have managed to shut down Victoria having entered there first. They then travelled to SA and apparently one was symptomatic while in SA. Spent five hours unloading house in McLaren Vale, attend two service stations then back out, yet no one in SA, as of today's report, has so far tested positive.

How much surge testing has SA done and how many rings have they gone out?

 

[antycbr]

Wait so this means there are about 170 yet to be linked / mystery cases in NSW right now?

Yet they claim there is no spread in retail. Until this number is zero they cannot say that.

 

[Pushka]

Wait so this means there are about 170 yet to be linked / mystery cases in NSW right now?




How much surge testing has SA done and how many rings have they gone out?

The family themselves had to be tested and isolated as they came in from NSW and haven't had contact with anyone. They have data from the servo check ins but likely many of those were heading back to Victoria or NSW so out of SA control. The servo people have been isolated and have been tested but negative so far. There aren't really any rings to form?

 

[jakeseven7]

The press conferences are chalk and cheese - NSW seems chaotic, no key messaging, pleading with people, helicopters. Victoria has key facts and messages down clearly and Jeroen is across the detail. Brad Hazzard in NSW adds nothing to the conferences whatsoever.

People all over Sydney yelling at their TVs for the government to go further. The current measures have stopped exponential growth but are not stopping growth and no one has any confidence about the end date of 31 July. The frustration is immense.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I suspect there is an internal tug of war happening right now in NSW and more is going on below the surface where as VIC seem more aligned.

It’s very clear the NSW government is torn, the Treasurer (and some others) is very clearly against further restrictions.

Dr Chant is sounding increasingly desperate every press conference, I feel sorry for her, she clearly wants more mechanisms to halt movement. But does she have the same pull/power as Prof Sutton or the retiring Dr Young?

I do agree the NSW Health Minister is a liability though, easily flustered, goes off script, gets stressed and lost in their points etc.

 

[SydneySwan]

So how can this be explained. The removalists who have managed to shut down Victoria having entered there first. They then travelled to SA and apparently one was symptomatic while in SA. Spent five hours unloading house in McLaren Vale, attend two service stations then back out, yet no one in SA, as of today's report, has so far tested positive.

The DNA of South Australians must make them much more resistant to Covid than the DNA of Victorians. Simples!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So how can this be explained. The removalists who have managed to shut down Victoria having entered there first. They then travelled to SA and apparently one was symptomatic while in SA. Spent five hours unloading house in McLaren Vale,

Out of interest who was in the house while they were there? (I have not read the SA coverage). Did the customers wear masks?

So far the only people infected were not stated to be maskless or not ( but likely to have not been giving the mask setting at the time) in Vic infected seem to have been when they were present for some time in the apartment building while the removalist were there. So a largish pool of people when the removalists were exerting themselves ie breathing harder.

The actual customer was not infected. The customer was reported to have worn a mask (He probably was the only person in the apartment building who knew where the removalists had driven from).

attend two service stations then back out, yet no one in SA, as of today's report, has so far tested positive.

So far I don't think there have been cases in the other service station or food outlets either whether in Vic or NSW.

 

[jakeseven7]

There was a question about Tik Tok guy in the press conference today. It seemed they weren't too bothered by the leaking. So if it continues the next day's case number can probably be had late in the preceding day.

You mean this Tik Tok Brilliant summary I must say (via IG stories if you don’t have IG sorry not for you…)

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[RAM]

Well another wonderful day draws to an end. Thought some light relief was due

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Anyway, back on topic…. I’m quite surprised that VIC have still held back from putting in a hard border with NSW given the multiple incursions and spread from the Sydney outbreak. Both VIC and QLD seem to be really holding back on this.

It also seems that there has been a Bondi-like super spreader involved unfortunately…

BTW: useful postcode location checker for Delta virus in NSW.

Shock, horror. Fairfield not the worst postcode per capita when singled out days back. Can you guess which suburb was.....

As of July 11th 8pm figures.
Postcode Total cases Active cases

2165 101 101 Fairfield, Fairfield East, Fairfield Heights Pop'n 42,444
2026 155 13 Bondi, Bondi Beach Pop'n 32,490

On a per capita basis, Bondi Junction (155 with pop'n 32,490) has relatively more cases living there this outbreak than all the Fairfields (168 with pop'n 42,444). On a per capita basis it would require Fairfield to have around 202 cases to match the Bondi figures.

Equivalent per capita figure at that stage was half that of Bondi.

As of July 15th 8pm figures.
Postcode Total cases Active cases

2165 168 153 Fairfield, Fairfield East, Fairfield Heights Pop'n 42,444
2026 155 11 Bondi, Bondi Beach Pop'n 32,490

Still below the Bondi per capita figures yet I don't recall NSW telling Bondi three days in a row it was doing the wrong thing. Why the inconsistency?

Equally the 3 suburbs border us are all 50+ cases each. As is Mosman - anyone heard Mosman mentioned two or three weeks back? They'd had 50 cases by July 2nd. At that stage Fairfield etc had just 16 cases but neighbouring suburbs had as many as 118.

As of July 2nd (from NSW Health website) Bondi had 151 cases.



Smoke & mirrors to deflect attention?

As a proportion of early cases, Bondi was many times a greater contributor to total cases at that point than Fairfield has ever been as of latest figures.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Yet they claim there is no spread in retail. Until this number is zero they cannot say that.

Plus while it seems to be claimed that CBA is the only occurrence, was not limo man proven to have infected a person in a retail shopping centre just by walking past them?

 

[Pushka]

Out of interest who was in the house while they were there? (I have not read the SA coverage). Did the customers wear mask?

So far the only people unknow if they were maskless, but likely to have not been giving the mask setting at the time) in Vic infected seem to have been when they were present for some time in the apartment building while the removalist were there. So a largish pool of people when the removalists were exerting themselves ie breathing harder.

The actual customer was not infected. The customer was reported to have worn a mask (He probably was the only person in the apartment building who knew where the removalists had driven from).



So far I don't think there have been cases in the other service station or food outlets either whether in Vic or NSW.

Let's put it this way, all SA Health are saying is that they are in isolation and have done the right thing. Being very obtuse about the details.

 

[bcworld]

The meatballs obviously weren't good enough at Ikea Tempe

 

[hydrabyss]

Plus while it seems to be claimed that CBA is the only occurrence, was not limo man proven to have infected a person in a retail shopping centre just by walking past them?

There has to be more too it than it just infected the other person as they walked by. If that was the case the numbers would be in the millions. I guess you would have to stand in front of someone long enough or pass them as they cough to get enough to infect you. That or some people are just super infectible.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Let's put it this way, all SA Health are saying is that they are in isolation and have done the right thing. Being very obtuse about the details.

Thank you.

Though I was not meaning, or inferring, that whomever the furniture was for had done the wrong thing. I was just curious on who was at the house when the removalists were there near the removalists. Being in SA I would expect that they would be maskless, but if they knew the removalists were from Sydney they may have taken precautions (proximity, masks)

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There has to be more too it than it just infected the other person as they walked by. If that was the case the numbers would be in the millions. I guess you would have to stand in front of someone long enough or pass them as they cough to get enough to infect you. That or some people are just super infectible.

Though that is not what the CCTV showed. Though yes perhaps they coughed or exhaled more at exactly the right time *But then this can apply anywhere..in a shop, in a workplace....or on the VA flight where was it 5 people got infected (The first time so many have been so infected ona short flight in Australia).

But it could also be that some people are more easily infected infected.


In Melbourne amongst the more recent cases 2 at Young & Jacksons and at least 2 at the MCG would have only have had a brief exposure as well.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Vic Update:

Over the last hour. Ballarat School Case, Deakin University Teacher (an email has been sent out to all students and staff) and others...


PS With an delay of say 8 hours from swab to result, then with testing from say 8am-ish, then results from say 4pm -ish. So you would expect cases to start being known at about now.

 

[bcworld]

For sure it is very, very fast.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

For sure it is very, very fast.

Plus you will get household cases. ie I saw my dentist today and he knows the parents of a person living with one of cases. There are 4 young adults in that household and who now are all in 14 day quarantine and all are expected to become positive. The parents are worried for their son.

 

[nutwood]

There has to be more too it than it just infected the other person as they walked by. If that was the case the numbers would be in the millions. I guess you would have to stand in front of someone long enough or pass them as they cough to get enough to infect you. That or some people are just super infectible.

It's the same as any uncontrolled interaction. There's a bell curve involved and if you want to be sure of passing on your Covid, the conditions need to be ideal but as you head out to the lower reaches of the curve random events can happen.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Vic Update:

Over the last hour. Ballarat School Case, Deakin University Teacher (an email has been sent out to all students and staff) and others...


PS With an delay of say 8 hours from swab to result, then with testing from say 8am-ish, then results from say 4pm -ish. So you would expect cases to start being known at about now.

CH7​

In an email to parents, Ballarat Clarendon College Principal David Shepherd confirmed a family member of a senior student had returned a positive result on Friday morning.​

So Ballarat will be one region not coming out from the 5 day lockdown early. Along most likely with Phillip Island.

 

[drron]

Dr Chant is sounding increasingly desperate every press conference, I feel sorry for her, she clearly wants more mechanisms to halt movement. But does she have the same pull/power as Prof Sutton or the retiring Dr Young?

I doubt that the QLD or Victorian CHOs have as much power as you think.The WA and Tas CHOs are in the same boat.And in SA it is possible their CHO has no idea what power she might or might not have.