Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[bcworld]

Currently you dob your neighbours into crime stoppers, Ive reported one of mine twice since June and miraculously they are now compliant after the police came knocking on their door re them having neighbours kids over to play and hosting a bbq on common property with people not living in their apartment. Simple.

Your sarcasm re vaccination status makes you look petty. The LGA with the most increasing cases has some of the lowest vacicnation rates in the state it is quite obvious that most there aren't vaccinated.

And if the police arrive and check and everyone is legit no harm no foul.

Sounds like you're going to need a LOT of extra police for all these false alarms.

No they are **** stirring because in their eyes NSW can never do anything right and Victoria's way is the only way *yawn*.

Peak irony level has been reached.

 

[jb747]

In context the 'not a race' was to excuse the lack of vaccine supply by the government

It may have been a smart/smug comment meant to deflect attention from the inadequate supply. But it will come back to haunt him...

 

[Lynda2475]

Sounds like you're going to need a LOT of extra police for all these false alarms.

Given the volume of infringement notices issued, not many false alarms in that mix right. Zero mentions at teh pressers about false reports so maybe stop making excuses for those doing the wrong thing.

The current setting is no one from outside your househoold in your house, extremely eary to spot non-resident guests. Its unfortunate but some people arent ever going to willingluy comply unless forced to, the cops are there to do that enforcement.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Those who have already been able to be vaccinated have the huge benefit of that. They should be grateful.

To expect at this time when so many, many, younger people in particular (as well as some older people) having had no ability to get vaccinated that they should gain special abilities to do things that the unvaccinated cannot is just selfish in the extreme.

Younger people have had to sacrifice by waiting to be vaccinated. So anyone who has been vaccinated should just be thankful and wait patiently till most of the population has had the ability to get vaccinated before expecting any "access" or other benefits beyond the health protection.

If one opened up special privileges to the vaccinated at present it would cause a huge and unfair divide and community disharmony.

Vaccination program are successful by the community as a whole acting together. So for those lucky enough to be nearer the front of the vaccination queue than the back do your bit and just wait for everyone to have had the ability to get vaccinated before expecting, or even worse demanding, special entitlements.

 

[bcworld]

Given the volume of infringement notices issued, not many false alarms in that mix right. Zero mentions at teh pressers about false reports so maybe stop making excuses for those doing the wrong thing.

You seem to be deliberately ignoring the impact of having differing rules based on vaccination status...as you propose.

 

[jakeseven7]

Yes it would if the restrictions were changed and households could register their status. But as the restrictions currently say no gatherings at all no one should be doing so at all.

Although I think I shoudl be able to see my fully vaccinated parents I have abided the rules, unlike many in Cantebury-Bankstown LGA.



Currently you dob your neighbours into crime stoppers, Ive reported one of mine twice since June and miraculously they are now compliant after the police came knocking on their door re them having neighbours kids over to play and hosting a bbq on common property with people not living in their apartment. Simple.

Your sarcasm re vaccination status makes you look petty. The LGA with the most increasing cases has some of the lowest vacicnation rates in the state it is quite obvious that most there aren't vaccinated.

And if the police arrive and check and everyone is legit no harm no foul.



No they are **** stirring because in their eyes NSW can never do anything right and Victoria's way is the only way *yawn*.



No it isnt, its about risk management. Fully vaccinated people interacting with other fully vaccinated people pose no significant risk to each other or wider community. Those who havent been vaccinated are the ones who need to be restricted as they are the main spreaders and the ones most at risk of getting ill and dying. You only need to look at the US where the current surge is a problem of the unvaccinated and mainly occuring in the states with the low vaccination rates.

More people need to start taking some personal repsonsiblity and not keep asking others to continue to unecessarily sacrifice for their lack of action. Covid-19 is not the only health issue, isolation is causing significant long term damage.

Please please please calm down with your constant unwavering anti-Victoria, anti-AZ vax, anti-western suburbs rhetoric. You make some completely valid and interesting points but you lose everyone with your bias.

This thread has been so much more civil during your ‘break’, you have such good things to contribute but please please tone it down for all of us!

 

[Tiki]

In Australia the messaging needed to portray a sense of emergency - Winter is Coming - because we were not seeing rampant covid here so it wasn't obvious. The opposite happened.

Now that is an ad people may have paid attention to! White Walkers with Covid spiky hats marching over Aussie landmarks like Sydney Harbour Bridge infiltrating the city. Man with Jon Snow accent says "Winter is Coming, get your jab now!"

 

[Lynda2475]

should gain special abilities to do things that the unvaccinated is just selfish in the extreme

Whereas I think it is really pathetic, mean spirited and totally lacking in compassion that you feel wanting to be able to see elderly family members who may not be here (or remember who you are) by the time everyone else gets around to being vaccinated is selfish.

You clearly care not for the quality of life for those people nor their family members who have to watch them deteriorate in isolation.

The false premise of keeping us safe (even though we have been vaccinated) is actually killing others and condeming some to utter misery at the end of their lives.

Why is a worker who hasnt taken up the offer to get vaccinated allowed to go to work and expose their coworkers and household members, yet vaccinated people cant interact in a setting with no risk to community?

Your way of waiting inflicts harm on everyone much longer than is necessary, whilst offering no carrot for people to take up vaccination.

you seem to be deliberately ignoring the impact of having differing rules based on vaccination status

No, you simply lack imagination as to how we can safely facilitate fully vaccinated children being able to visit their fully vaccinated isolated parents, to ensure well being.

There are plenty of options. Fully vaccinated households register, get a QR code permit which can be displayed on front door, then fully vaccinated visitors have to check in using the official app. Or issue permits that the visitor carriesfor the visit, the permit only cover 1 other household.

Interestingly you dont question how intimate partner or singles bubbles visits are policed? You can have been dating someone for 1 day before a lockdown and continue to see them during lockdown. Yet fully vaccinated parents having a face to face conversation with fully vaccinated children is unsafe - yeah right!

You are also arguing a proposal to allow gathering in LGAs of concern which is not something I ever proposed. I have been complying with all the rules, even though some are cruel and unecessary.

In trying to get the non-compliant to get on board, the ever tightening restrictions are mostly serving to cause more harm to those who were doing the right thing, whilst the non compliant continue to break the rules.

Under the singles bubble, I can not go to my parents (because there are two of them in residence). My Dad cant visit me, because my Mum cant be left alone. My Mum can visit me as cant navigate on her own. And why should you have to choose only one parent? Nonsencial because if one of them could travel to me, the same two households would be exposed to each other anyway.

 

[oznflfan]

My prediction is all states and territories will be in Lockdown permanently by mid next month, and only exit will be minimum of early 2022 from vaccination levels being high enough to take off the Lockdown trigger.

As to fortress states of WA and TAS, in terms of Jurassic Park 'nature finds a way'.

Sorry to be so pessimistic. Government in their early 2021 thoughts - will not have to worry about letting COVID in when we open borders, it'll be all over our fine country.

 

[Seat0B]

As much as I'd love Australia being vaccinated to result in an immediate resumption of international travel, the fact that highly vaccinated countries both haven't thrown open their borders nor do they have special travel privileges yet, at least not beyond the individual themselves being vaccinated. A lot of people empathise with you and wish there was a silver bullet but if what you're saying was true we'd see a wholesale resumption of International travel with Australia being left out, and that's not what is happening right now.

Well Seat Son, double vaxxed but unable to get home to Australia, is just back from a 4 week extravaganza in Croatia, Germany, Austria and Slovakia. Earlier this year he visited Georgia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and Greece. No quarantining. No travel caps. That sounds like a resumption of international travel to me.

 

[bcworld]

Whereas I think it is really pathetic, mean spirited and totally lacking in compassion

There are a number of posts in this thread that fit that bill. Many are retorts that have been given to respected members who have given heartfelt descriptions of the difficulties they have had getting their vulnerable family members vaccinated.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Lockdown permanently by mid next month

Chatter last night at work was the possibility of government holding significant further restrictions going forward in Victoria. I think there was a general feeling this would not be welcomed regardless of risk - general fatigue has most definitely set in.

 

[Lynda2475]

Well Seat Son, double vaxxed but unable to get home to Australia, is just back from a 4 week extravaganza in Croatia, Germany, Austria and Slovakia. Earlier this year he visited Georgia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and Greece. No quarantining. No travel caps. That sounds like a resumption of international travel to me.

Yeah Australia is an outlier in ignoring vaccination status and lumping everyone into the same restriction bucket.

And sadly too many here fail to see the many benefits of vaccine privilege.

The argument that it will create resentment is a very weak one, as there is already significant resentment from those who are already vaccinated and as well as those who will never vaccinate. Plus many that are still waiting for their shot arent so petty as to want to deny some freedoms to those who are.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

You clearly care not for the quality of life for those people nor their family members who have to watch them deteriorate in isolation.

Wrong yet again on multiple points.

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There are processes in place that those that need care can be given it. I know as I provide care for a disabled brother, not to mention two elderly parents one of whom has dementia.

My advice to you is to stop complaining and just follow the rules that we all need as a community and which we all should follow. These rules include necessary care-giving.

If you are a genuine care giver, then just provide the care.

There is no need for any additional special dispensations for the vaccinated.

 

[Pushka]

ok fair enough, so would we say that NSW has lost the race, whilst other states still winning the race??

SA is not winning the race. Just kicking reality down the street. Killing small business if we keep reverting to 7 day lockdowns. Hoping that vaccinations catch up.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

There are a number of posts in this thread that fit that bill. Many are retorts that have been given to respected members who have given heartfelt descriptions of the difficulties they have had getting their vulnerable family members vaccinated.

To be clear people can offer, and have provided, care to those that genuinely require it whether they are vaccinated or not. I have done so throughout the pandemic, and I have only recently become fully vaccinated. It has been permitted throughout any lockdown or other pandemic restriction.

Naturally when the risk is high, one has to be very prudent in how that is/was done.

 

[Lynda2475]

Wrong yet again on multiple points.

No you are wrong - only a single care giver is permitted in a home in NSW.

I cant be that care giver because my Dad is the registered care giver, and that power legally only comes to me if he becomes incapacitated or dies, at which point the power of attorney appoints me as being able to make all health directives for my mother.

Visits are not considered care unless you are adminstering health care (medications, assisting with bathing or transporting the person to medical appointments). I have talked with NSW Health and the advice is visiting whilst it benefits mental health is not not care giving.

So dont lecture me about obeying the rules, when I have been 100% complying.

You telling me to go and give "care" in violation of the rules is actually encouraging me to break the law. You have absolutey no idea.

 

[Pushka]

The death announced this morning of a patient exposed to Covid whilst in hospital for other reasons is awful for the family. She was exposed to the virus from a health care worker who cared for both covid and non covid wards. Isn't this something that surely could have been avoided?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The death announced this morning of a patient exposed to Covid whilst in hospital for other reasons is awful for the family. She was exposed to the virus from a health care worker who cared for both covid and non covid wards. Isn't this something that surely could have been avoided?

I'm guessing there would have also been high grade PPE involved as well - I guess it depends on why that person was needed across both types of wards

 

[Lynda2475]

The death announced this morning of a patient exposed to Covid whilst in hospital for other reasons is awful for the family. She was exposed to the virus from a health care worker who cared for both covid and non covid wards. Isn't this something that surely could have been avoided?

That is not correct.

That assertion was made by a reporter this morning but Dr Chant claified that the infected worker contracted covid via their household (not at work) and then unknowingly worked in both the aged care ward and the renal ward (the lady who died was in for kidney issues). Dr Chant was clear the worker did not work in the covid ward, nor were there covid pateints being treated in the wards she worked in.

Why wasnt the patient vaccinated with at least one dose given their aged?