Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Our QR system does not have a check out function. I'm assuming these precise times have come from CCTV or something else.

Just plain guesses - maybe a receipt that is out by an hour lol

 

[Lynda2475]

I heard it mentioned in the NSW press conference today in questions to the police commissioner but this (playground closures) is also happening in Sydney.

Only in the LGAs of concern where police have observed people loitering, chatting and not keeping distance. When you take your kids to the park, they arent meant to be playing with kids from outside their own household.

The restrictions for the LGAs of concern no longer allow recreation, only exercise. The rest of NSW can still recreate at a safe social distance.

 

[justinbrett]

Economics pays a big role, though. It's most likely the nature of the jobs people perform - those who in higher paying jobs largely (but not in all cases, eg. health care) have the means and the nature of the work that allows them to stay at home and avoid mixing with others. Those in lower paid jobs in many instances do not (for example those in cleaning jobs cannot WFH obviously).

Worldwide, in developed nations, it seems poorer areas have suffered more. In New York, the poorer boroughs and neighborhoods fared much much worse than the wealthier ones. In Melbourne's second wave, poorer areas suffered more, that is beyond dispute, the evidence is overwhelming. There were very few cases in suburbs like Brighton, Box Hill, Toorak, or Camberwell. It's not that the disease picks on poorer areas, or that people behave any differently, just the nature of the work people do.

I'm not saying it doesn't have a role generally, but in this instance, it's not the reason.

Newcastle is not poor! It's also a very low migrant area, so the picture you are trying to paint just doesn't fit.

 

[Pushka]

Plenty of bottlos inside or attached to supermarkets (and sometimes servos) here too. And Aldi sells alcohol.

Not in SA and Qld.

 

[bcworld]

Only in the LGAs of concern where police have observed people loitering, chatting and not keeping distance. When you take your kids to the park, they arent meant to be playing with kids from outside their own household.

The restrictions for the LGAs of concern no longer allow recreation, only exercise. The rest of NSW can still recreate at a safe social distance.

But playgrounds are safe and outdoor transmission is impossible.

As for people outside the LGAs of concern not abusing gathering limits in playgrounds...I am certain this is nonsense.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Melbourne has had more cases in this outbreak than Sydney did at the same point in time, despite Melbourne locking down on Day 1/2 and Sydney delaying.

There's no guarantee Melbourne won't have the same trajectory.

Personally I don't believe the theory that both branches of the two latest clusters started with two different new Sydney incursions. One probably did, but the other I think is just a continuation of the first outbreak.

So
Day 37 Vic is 478 Cases. Contact tracing still working well.
Day 37 NSW was 1813 Cases. Contact tracing overwhelmed.

 

[Lynda2475]

Not in SA and Qld

So does Aldi have to run separate stores for alcohol then? Or do they not sell alcohol at Aldi in SA?

When our local supermarket was a Supabarn could only enter the bottlo via the supermarket. This is still the case in two nearby Woolworths and one Coles, although my local Coles now has the bottlo across a laneway.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Personally I don't believe the theory that both branches of the two latest clusters started with two different new Sydney incursions. One probably did, but the other I think is just a continuation of the first outbreak.

So
Day 37 Vic is 478 Cases. Contact tracing still working well.
Day 37 NSW was 1813 Cases. Contact tracing overwhelmed.

And the number of mystery (ie confirmed unlinked) cases is up for debate........NSW at the one month mark had about 150 under investigation (and my guess would be most delayed linked).

 

[justinbrett]

Personally I don't believe the theory that both branches of the two latest clusters started with two different new Sydney incursions. One probably did, but the other I think is just a continuation of the first outbreak.

So
Day 37 Vic is 478 Cases. Contact tracing still working well.
Day 37 NSW was 1813 Cases. Contact tracing overwhelmed.

Well, we can always get statistics to back up a desired narrative.

Point being you're into your third week of your latest lockdown and still having mystery cases and cases in the community. It's really academic what got you to this point, but Sydney was at this point before it went into lockdown.

I obviously wish you well but it's quite foolish to think the same won't happen to you. What worked last year won't necessarily work this time, Delta is different. Melbourne ignores that at its own peril.

 

[Lynda2475]

As for people outside the LGAs of concern not abusing gathering limits in playgrounds...I am certain this is nonsense.

And no one claimed that was the case.

Councils in any area can close playgrounds if they feel covid safe plans cant be observed. Police have called for it in some LGAs of concern because of loitering, when talking about basketball courts sounds more like teenagers or young adults hanging out than physically distanced exercise with one other person.

Personally I find it funny that people would allow their kids to play closely with random other kids unmasked as most of the playgrounds have enclosed slides, cubbies etc and you have no idea if those kids comes from households where adults work in covid facing roles. The same way its laughable that people take unmasked kids to the supermarket, if they were concerned they would mask up or leave them at home.

With the current enforcement crackdown I would not be surprised if we see similar closures happen in non LGAs of concern if large groups do the wrong thing and are observed by the cops.

If all public recreation (i.e. fishing, golf) as opposed to exercise is restricted, wont make any difference to me or most.

 

[justinbrett]

So does Aldi have to run separate stores for alcohol then? Or do they not sell alcohol at Aldi in SA?

When our local supermarket was a Supabarn could only enter the bottlo via the supermarket. This is still the case in two nearby Woolworths and one Coles, although my local Coles now has the bottlo across a laneway.

Costco & Aldi don't sell alcohol in those states.

I'm not an expert on SA, but in the case of QLD it's the liquor licence which is the hard part. There's nothing stopping them from having a "Aldi Liquor" attached to it like Liquorland or BWS, but they'd have to get a liquor licence and generally they have to be associated with a pub within a 5Km radius. That's why woolworths owns so many pubs. They've got really bizarre liquor laws in Queensland. In practice, Aldi would have to buy the liquor rights from a pub and it wouldn't be worth it for them.

 

[MooTime]

The problem with playgrounds & we go PGs daily with our young ones, that maybe half the parents are in groups of other parents & just as often with the mask below their nose.

So it's a catchup loop hole absolutely.

If they could warn ppl to not congregate at parks & to adhere to mask rules otherwise authorities as in CHO would have to close them with the reasoning that children have proportion of covid. A waring, yeah what am I thinking.
Then again I believe it's the kids catching & sharing covid at the PGs is the issue.

Who'd police the parks, are police expected to drag away or issue fines to parents at the parks in front of children?? Could get ugly.

PGs closed really does limit ones ability to keep their child/ren occupied & happy during the day, we don't like it, but if it's to be only 2 or 3 weeks we can deal with it.
was for many weeks in 2020 Melb.

This, yet Child care centers which we use couple days are open & hub of children with adult carers with no masks so......

Will check out the golf course next couple days, see how many gettign along there, although that lot more open & 1 family kids per sand bunker may apply, I assume covid getting out of a bunker as difficult as many golfers getting out of some!

I'm for from thinking we'll get back to covid zero this time.

Delta is a gamechanger.....

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Even if you take Melbourne 6.0 being a part of Melbourne 5.0 - the fact that there are actually mystery cases in week 3/4 is a huge worry.

Well with fleeting transmission means that it is easier for new mystery cases to happen, and so with a new case till midnight it is not always possible to have it linked by the 8.20am tweet, or Vic Presser. Though most mystery cases have not stayed as mystery cases, but yes any ongoing mystery case is a concern as one does not know how big the transmission chain prior to it is.

Yes but yes is a worry and it is why they now want everyone in StKilda/ Glen Eira to get tested, and not just the symptomatic. And is also in part why they brought in other additional measures in including the curfew.

 

[jakeseven7]

Oh wow same time every day the state v state screeching starts .

How about we are all in this together and we discuss something more relevant than comparing two very different outbreaks….

 

[justinbrett]

Oh wow same time every day the state v state screeching starts .

How about we are all in this together and we discuss something more relevant than comparing two very different outbreaks….

The Queenslander is feeling left out!

Don't worry, you'll get the heat on the vaccination thread!

 

[jakeseven7]

The Queenslander is feeling left out!

Don't worry, you'll get the heat on the vaccination thread!

But we need a handicap for being stuck with the most useless CHO It’s not fair!!!!

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Oh wow same time every day the state v state screeching starts .

How about we are all in this together and we discuss something more relevant than comparing two very different outbreaks….

Well they are in this together - both States don't want to do exactly what the other one is doing....




For some things, Delta is not a game changer......

 

[Pushka]

So does Aldi have to run separate stores for alcohol then? Or do they not sell alcohol at Aldi in SA?

When our local supermarket was a Supabarn could only enter the bottlo via the supermarket. This is still the case in two nearby Woolworths and one Coles, although my local Coles now has the bottlo across a laneway.

Nooooo! . Nor Costco. There are some bottle shops attached to Coles and Woolies but their prices are rubbish. So it's Dans, drive-in bottle shops and the chain outlets only and which do stay open. Playgrounds were closed during the first and (lightening fast Pizza) second closure.

Today SA just has one active case, a man in his twenties and in hospital but stable. He has been there for some time.

 

[Must...Fly!]

77 in ICU is getting up there. I hope we have nearly reached the peak of that but fear not.

Does that include private ICU capacity, or has that not been drafted in as yet?

I'm calling out the logic of closing playgrounds and curfews whilst allowing people to line up for their daily coffee & smashed avo on toast.

I somewhat agree, though closing the latter would have a significant economic impact and we've no proof really that it would make any difference. At least the former, while mentally challenging and a huge huge impact on children and the family, doesn't have an economic impact.

Even if you take Melbourne 6.0 being a part of Melbourne 5.0 - the fact that there are actually mystery cases in week 3/4 is a huge worry.

Pretty much, though I wouldn't call it a huge worry - only is, if you expect contact tracing and other measures will result in zero COVID.

Maybe it will, but the the next entry of the virus from either NSW or overseas through quarantine arrangements will inevitably follow days or weeks later as we've already seen. Then what?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Does that include private ICU capacity, or has that not been drafted in as yet?




I somewhat agree, though closing the latter would have a significant economic impact and we've no proof really that it would make any difference. At least the former, while mentally challenging and a huge huge impact on children and the family, doesn't have an economic impact.


Pretty much, though I wouldn't call it a huge worry - only is, if you expect contact tracing and other measures will result in zero COVID.

Maybe it will, but the the next entry of the virus from either NSW or overseas through quarantine arrangements will inevitably follow days or weeks later as we've already seen. Then what?

I've not heard NSW pull the private hospital pin yet, so I presume its public ICU capacity.

My understanding is Victorian authorities are still pursuing a de facto covid-zero policy through lockdown 5.0 and 6.0