Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Pom-DownUnder]

LOL no need, you just show your vaccine certificate, the same way you have to show (and keep current) other licenses, certifications and ID to get many jobs.

You cant enter a club or night club without being a member and/or showing govenrment issued ID, you can be required to show ID to order alchol in licensed venues.

If you have an objection to vaccine passport, you'll be stuck in Australia, as the world is requiring them. Just like may countries require proof of Yellow fever vaccination to enter if you have been somewhere where Yellow fever is circulating.



Ridiculous examples since you cant catch those by simply being in an indoor space with a carrier, transmission requires intimate contact something super easy to avoid unless you are in the habit of hooking up with randoms and dont take precautions.



Its not about the app, its about being vaccinated. You are less likley to catch, spread or get seriously ill if you are vaccinated, so significantly less of a risk and much less of a burden as someone who doesnt bother and ends up in hospital.

No one in ICU right now is double jabbed.

As I said, i AM double jabbed, and have always been pro vaccine. I just dont think it should be mandated at the cost of being excluded from society. If everyone that wants to be vaccinated is, then you are protected, on you go.

I will not use facial recog on my phone
I will not put my fingerprints into my phone

they are there as options and i choose not to use them. the vaccine is there as an option, I have chosen to get it. I think that is leaps and bounds away from an acceptable society where you have to show your papers to enter a bar. Sure you can say ID ... but thats my choice again isnt it. Drivers licence / passport / proof of age card / many ways to skin that cat, not "show me your kennel cough shot or get out"

 

[dajop]

Um, I'm not sure you know much about Newcastle with that statement (median income in the Newcastle LGA is pretty much smack bang on the NSW average - and would be higher for non-Sydney LGAs). Newcastle is a city and has both rich and poor areas like any city.

Yes, granted, but I guess it depends on where the cases are - the rich or poor areas. Although, your original comparison was made to Northern Beaches and Eastern Suburbs - undeniably wealthier areas then Newcastle.

 

[MooTime]

Comparison of Vic 2020 vs NSW 2021

That's a great comparison. Did we, Melbourne really hit the top & start it's decline that quickly as the graph indicates?

Certainly was a drawn out tail to get to sub 5 cases per day & eventually zero.

 

[justinbrett]

Yes, granted, but I guess it depends on where the cases are - the rich or poor areas. Although, your original comparison was made to Northern Beaches and Eastern Suburbs - undeniably wealthier areas then Newcastle.

Not everything is about ecconomics.... it's more because those areas have been locked down for months, most of the cases in Newcastle were pre lockdown.

I have a small apartment in Newcastle and my rent would get me a mansion in Melbourne.

 

[Lynda2475]

People essentially victim blaming those that get covid and then get hospitalised - don't really see the real picture of those less affluent - unable to get appointments, ineligible even three weeks ago.

3 weeks ago is irerlevent, those over 70 have been eligible since last week of March and those over 60 since 1st of May - all except 5 of the deaths in this outbreak have been in over 60s, so yes they do have to take accountablity for not being vaccinated.

Making excuses for them helps no one and claiming affluency is also bs, given the vaccine is free for all and the elderly dont have to miss paid work to get it and were prioritised. For those in Aged care the vaccine was even brought to them.

If you are a smoker and get lung cancer you need to own your poor decision, if your are a drunkard and kill your liver you need to own it, if you are a vulnerable person and didnt get vaccinated against covid or the flu and die of either you have to own that decision too.

Those who have done the right thing and got the vaccine recommended for their age cohort are being denied the right to live (not just exist) because those we are being locked up to protect didnt do their bit. So sad there is so little regard for personal responsiblity.

I have advocated for people to get the vaccine recommended for their cohort from the beginning, I booked my parents (70s) in for AZ the week it opened, and when the GP who gave their first dose tried to screw them over and delay second dose by weeks, I made it a priority to get them into a state hub to keep the exact 12 week schedule.

There are wait lists for Pfizer for the under 59s, however over 60s can still get same day appointments for AZ at the RCs and some mass hubs. Being older still gets you priority access at the hubs, not to mention there are walkins at the less conveinient chemists or you can go GP shopping.

500k of Pfizer appointments were added today for 16 - 39s in the 12 LGAs of concern, you can bet those wil be taken up quikcly, irrelevent for the over 60s who if havent started the journey by now are unlikely to without government imposed penalties.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Here's a fresh one for you!

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Can't quite work out the times which are quite precise. Doesn't seem like it would be staff (unless sick staff member gets sent home). Or a customer. Uber Eats driver would need to be coming and going multiple times.

Actually 3 Maccas entries in this afternoon's updates.

An ubereats who forgot to check out until the next job?

 

[bcworld]

An ubereats who forgot to check out until the next job?

Our QR system does not have a check out function. I'm assuming these precise times have come from CCTV or something else.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

. I'm not sure you get the point of stay at home measures if you advocate for an entire industry to not stay at home.

We don't have restrictions in Melbourne for everyone to stay at home. Never have either. Even NZ with its strict lockdown was not 100% stay at home. They did close takeways, along with food businesses like butchers.

Stay at home can and does have different levels. At is simplest it is work from home if can. Which is not many takeway business.

Restrictions are not as strict as in the Vic Second Wave when more could not go to work.

If the situation worsens to NSW levels restrictions will get tighter, and more no doubt would be prevented.


Interesting that you want Melbourne to lockdown so hard though. Are you pushing to close all takeway in NSW?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Not about holding them to account, I don't see how asking the same question over and over again and expecting a different answer is helpful and deprives the rest of the journalists an opportunity to ask questions that may in fact seek to delve further into the facts (and hold people to account).

In fact to me its a reminder of the quote about insanity, which doesn't do much for my impression of their intelligence.

May be they are hoping more than 500 cases will break the NSW authorities such that they blurt out something.....next step 1000 cases.

 

[Batterytraveller]

If everyone that wants to be vaccinated is, then you are protected, on you go.

This is unfortunately not how vaccination works. You need a certain proportion of the population to be vaccinated to account for the people who can't be vaccinated and for the effectiveness of the vaccine. This applies to all vaccines and, as we have seen in places like Iceland, the UK and Isreal, even very high levels of vaccination do not provide the level of protection you get from the current rates of, for example, measles vaccination. What we have seen with measels is that when parents opt out of vaccinating their children you get to a level where fatal cases of an entirely preventable disease start occurring.

I don't think that it is government overreach (or business overreach) to mandate vaccines to engage in certain activities, it's in the public interest.

 

[bcworld]

Even NZ with its strict lockdown was not 100% stay at home. They did close takeways, along with food businesses like butchers.

And bottle shops! But as a civilised country they can buy alcohol in supermarkets.

 

[justinbrett]

Interesting that you want Melbourne to lockdown so hard though. Are you pushing to close all takeway in NSW?

I'm calling out the logic of closing playgrounds and curfews whilst allowing people to line up for their daily coffee & smashed avo on toast.

But yes, if you did read, I did advocate for Sydney to close fast food.

We don't have restrictions in Melbourne for everyone to stay at home. Never have either. Even NZ with its strict lockdown was not 100% stay at home. They did close takeways, along with food businesses like butchers.

Yes, my point. You make choices. Interesting you value Maccas over parents being able to take their kids to a playground.

 

[Lynda2475]

Our QR system does not have a check out function

An oversight this late in the game. The check out functionality is key to ensuring you dont inadvertantly get caught up as a close contact because tracers dont know how long you were at a venue. Having proof you left before a positive arrived can be invaluable.

 

[justinbrett]

And bottle shops! But as a civilised country they can buy alcohol in supermarkets.

We've got Costco & Aldi. (Sorry Queensland...)

 

[Pushka]

An oversight this late in the game. The check out functionality is key to ensuring you dont inadvertantly get caught up as a close contact because tracers dont know how long you were at a venue. Having proof you left before a positive arrived can be invaluable.

And this exact scenario has always been a bug bear of mine here in SA.

 

[Lynda2475]

But as a civilised country they can buy alcohol in supermarkets

Plenty of bottlos inside or attached to supermarkets (and sometimes servos) here too. And Aldi sells alcohol.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Yes that means an infectious person visited the site and potentially could have infected someone. It does not mean that a transmission event occurred. But the potential is there for it to be a Tier1.

Up till that one duration has been a lot briefer though.

90 minutes suggest not just someone getting takeway, unless they were not really sure exactly when they were there and so have estimated a longer period.

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We don't have the rampant community transmission that Sydney has.

Melbourne has had more cases in this outbreak than Sydney did at the same point in time, despite Melbourne locking down on Day 1/2 and Sydney delaying.

There's no guarantee Melbourne won't have the same trajectory.

Even if you take Melbourne 6.0 being a part of Melbourne 5.0 - the fact that there are actually mystery cases in week 3/4 is a huge worry.

 

[Pete98765432]

Not about holding them to account, I don't see how asking the same question over and over again and expecting a different answer is helpful and deprives the rest of the journalists an opportunity to ask questions that may in fact seek to delve further into the facts (and hold people to account).

In fact to me its a reminder of the quote about insanity, which doesn't do much for my impression of their intelligence.

Maybe if she actually answered the questions instead of waffling and deflecting, he wouldn’t have to repeat them.

 

[dajop]

Not everything is about ecconomics.... it's more because those areas have been locked down for months, most of the cases in Newcastle were pre lockdown.

I have a small apartment in Newcastle and my rent would get me a mansion in Melbourne.

Economics pays a big role, though. It's most likely the nature of the jobs people perform and the living arrangement. Those who in higher paying jobs largely (but not in all cases, eg. health care) have the means and the nature of the work that allows them to stay at home and avoid mixing with others and also live in smaller households. Those in lower paid jobs in many instances do not have the ability to stay at home (for example those in cleaning jobs cannot WFH obviously), and are more likely to live in larger households, which means more spread within households.

Worldwide, in developed nations, it seems poorer areas have suffered more. In New York, the poorer boroughs and neighborhoods fared much much worse than the wealthier ones. In Melbourne's second wave, poorer areas suffered more, that is beyond dispute, the evidence is overwhelming. There were very few cases in suburbs like Brighton, Box Hill, Toorak, or Camberwell. It's not that the disease picks on poorer areas, or that people behave any differently, just the nature of the work people do and their living arrangements.

 

[bcworld]

Yes, my point. You make choices. Interesting you value Maccas over parents being able to take their kids to a playground.

I heard it mentioned in the NSW press conference today in questions to the police commissioner but this (playground closures) is also happening in Sydney.

Blacktown City Mayor Tony Bleasdale OAM has announced that on the advice of NSW Police, Council is closing children’s playgrounds, play equipment and outdoor gym equipment in the City's parks and reserves.

"Police tell us that on occasions, these areas are being used for ‘recreation’ which is not permitted under the current Health Orders and this poses a risk of people ‘gathering’ and spreading the COVID 19 virus." Mayor Bleasdale said.

Council staff will cordon off the playgrounds and erect signs advising of the changes.

https://www.blacktown.nsw.gov.au/News-Media/Blacktown-City-Council-COVID-19-update

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Maybe if she actually answered the questions instead of waffling and deflecting, he wouldn’t have to repeat them.

Bingo!