Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[lovetravellingoz]

The index case for the Royal Melbourne Hospital outbreak is a Shepparton man who had cardiac surgery.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429013855200432128

and:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428911264571355136

 

[Lynda2475]

The index case for the Royal Melbourne Hospital outbreak is a Shepparton man who had cardiac surgery

Are they not testing all patients before surgery ?

 

[TheRealTMA]

Are they not testing all patients before surgery ?

Are they testing the staff every day? Should be.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Are they not testing all patients before surgery ?

Depends on a few things.
The risk stratification of the patient (symptoms/ epidemiological risk), the urgency of the procedure.

 

[burmans]

People are only complying while we race to 80 percent and we have huge noncompliance issues now.

All bets are off after 80 percent.

I’m fine with that, the 20% won’t be able to do much about talk to each other about their freedom of choice.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Depends on a few things.
The risk stratification of the patient (symptoms/ epidemiological risk), the urgency of the procedure.

Not that I have heard any details. But may have been an emergency.

Or the patient may not yet have been positive on admission.


Not all patients are truthful either. One patient at my daughter's hospital last year did not advise that they had had a covid test on the way to have a procedure done. There was a form that was completed as part of admission. They only advised afterwards, when the test came back positive. So the whole team had to be furloughed. Fortunately none became positive.

The patient deliberately lied as they did not want their procedure delayed.

 

[jakeseven7]

For those not familiar with Sydney geographic and economic divide it’s well explained here. It really has followed the OG Mel outbreak lines.

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How Sydney's COVID-19 lockdown is dividing the city​

Sydney's second lockdown has widened the gap between those who struggle and those who don't.

According to Oxfam, Australia's 31 billionaires have seen their fortunes increase by nearly $85 billion since the pandemic began.

The divide between Sydney's east — where the Delta outbreak began — and the west, where it has now taken hold, continues to be a point of contention for a city being told its weathering the COVID-19 storm together.

Some can no longer afford to buy food.

How Sydney's COVID-19 lockdown is dividing the city

Sydney's second lockdown has widened the gap between those who struggle and those who don't. It's a tough reality for a city being told "we're all in it together".

www.abc.net.au

 

[antycbr]

For those not familiar with Sydney geographic and economic divide it’s well explained here. It really has followed the OG Mel outbreak lines.

——-

How Sydney's COVID-19 lockdown is dividing the city​

Sydney's second lockdown has widened the gap between those who struggle and those who don't.

According to Oxfam, Australia's 31 billionaires have seen their fortunes increase by nearly $85 billion since the pandemic began.

The divide between Sydney's east — where the Delta outbreak began — and the west, where it has now taken hold, continues to be a point of contention for a city being told its weathering the COVID-19 storm together.

Some can no longer afford to buy food.

How Sydney's COVID-19 lockdown is dividing the city

Sydney's second lockdown has widened the gap between those who struggle and those who don't. It's a tough reality for a city being told "we're all in it together".

www.abc.net.au

West of the Red Rooster line…

Sydney's Demographics Show a Clear Fast-Food Divide | Man of Many

Sydney's red rooster line, or latte line, shows a clear divide between the city's suburb demographics. Who knew a chicken line could tell us so much?

manofmany.com

 

[Must...Fly!]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429219078137290753

 

[justinbrett]

For those not familiar with Sydney geographic and economic divide it’s well explained here. It really has followed the OG Mel outbreak lines.

——-

How Sydney's COVID-19 lockdown is dividing the city​

Sydney's second lockdown has widened the gap between those who struggle and those who don't.

According to Oxfam, Australia's 31 billionaires have seen their fortunes increase by nearly $85 billion since the pandemic began.

The divide between Sydney's east — where the Delta outbreak began — and the west, where it has now taken hold, continues to be a point of contention for a city being told its weathering the COVID-19 storm together.

Some can no longer afford to buy food.

How Sydney's COVID-19 lockdown is dividing the city

Sydney's second lockdown has widened the gap between those who struggle and those who don't. It's a tough reality for a city being told "we're all in it together".

www.abc.net.au

Enough really we don’t care about suburb v suburb screeching especially on a Sunday

 

[Must...Fly!]

The Sunday Age can reveal that despite a record day of 825 new cases in NSW, the Doherty Institute has reinforced its advice to the federal government – and national cabinet – that it is still possible for NSW to begin reopening when the state and country reaches the nationally agreed target of 70 per cent double-vaccinated citizens, even if it has hundreds of daily cases.

Victoria ‘unlikely’ to eliminate Delta as PM backs NSW on reopening

A leading epidemiologist says lockdowns, intensive contact tracing and vaccination would be required to merely flatten the curve of the current outbreaks because the ability of the virus to spread had drastically changed.

amp.theage.com.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429219078137290753

44,147 test result received is disappointedly on the lower side of what one would like.

 

[jakeseven7]

West of the Red Rooster line…

Sydney's Demographics Show a Clear Fast-Food Divide | Man of Many

Sydney's red rooster line, or latte line, shows a clear divide between the city's suburb demographics. Who knew a chicken line could tell us so much?

manofmany.com

Yes, I think it’s sad but it’s also predictable that this is happening the same way in both cities. I don’t think it changes anything really but messaging will be really important to not further inflame things.

 

[Must...Fly!]

44,147 test result received is disappointedly on the lower side of what one would like.

Maybe so, but I am of the belief that if everyone who needs to be tested is tested then who cares. Fetishising of numbers should've stopped a while ago in this country.

 

[justinbrett]

Yes, I think it’s sad but it’s also predictable that this is happening the same way in both cities. I don’t think it changes anything really but messaging will be really important to not further inflame things.

It's utter rubbish, Marrickville (and the inner west in general) is a wealthy hipster area and is not an LGA of concern. I really don't get what this article is trying to prove other than people are struggling everywhere (which is the opposite of the headline).

This suburb against suburb debate is really unhelpful. Just follow the rules, they're stricter in the west because that's where the cases area. The one city approach makes as much sense as locking down WA and QLD to help NSW and VIC.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429231144986316805

Note that will mean that 5 of the Shepparton cases mentioned yesterday (ie total cases in Shep rose to 21)were rapid tests to be confirmed by PCR test results and so will go into tomorrow's official figures.

 

[jakeseven7]

Maybe so, but I am of the belief that if everyone who needs to be tested is tested then who cares. Fetishising of numbers should've stopped a while ago in this country.

Agree.

I really think it’s time even to subtly start changing even the format of these stupid daily updates the states all do. Highlight vaccines and days to get to x% for each state.

Give people a light to see and some hope.

 

[antycbr]

Agree.

I really think it’s time even to subtly start changing even the format of these stupid daily updates the states all do. Highlight vaccines and days to get to x% for each state.

Give people a light to see and some hope.

I’d love them to provide a date estimate for when each state will get to 70 and 80 double dosed based on projections. I reckon that would provide some additional motivation for people to try and bring it forward.

 

[jakeseven7]

I’d love them to provide a date estimate for when each state will get to 70 and 80 double dosed based on projections. I reckon that would provide some additional motivation for people to try and bring it forward.

Exactly.

People like a goal. A target. With a reward. A race.

It would be good to get this change in before NSW hits 4 digit cases as well. Help take the sting out and reprioritise it.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Yes vaccination rates, and progress status, are important, but they remain but a guide.

It is what happens with these numbers in NSW which will most determine when restrictions can significantly be progressively eased, and then later ultimately be removed (or in the main removed). Though hospitalisations etc will lag say vaccination rates.




What an acceptable "living with covid" number is for these are I have no idea (ie is it higher or lower than the numbers above, and then how much higher or lower?).

I would assume that NSW is calculating something up for what an acceptable living with covid band for these will be (ie to allow for seasonal surges and fluctuations as for example we have with the flu), as well as other health requirements such as outpatient care for those dealing with ongoing adverse health outcomes from having had covid.



Other jurisdictions are more likely to initially go on vaccination rates (% vaccinated), unless their hospitalisations surge. WA who knows?

But also ultimately all jurisdictions will be guided by the health outcomes. Optimistically we can hope that vaccination rates for adults eventually climb past 80%, and that also that a significant proportion of the under 12s can get vaccinated as well once a suitable vaccine program for them comes into being as these combined will then lead to a better living with covid outcome.

PS. Once most people have had the chance to be vaccinated we will see restrictions in terms of what the vaccinated are allowed to do and the unvaccinated cannot do.