Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[MARTINE]

I was wondering what happens with most cases. Any doctors care to comment. Do most turn into something like the flu, or nothing, or something else? I know it makes some people very sick, but what of the others?

Without it necessarily being applicable here, couldn't the same be said of most of the nastier government takeovers around the world.

COVID19 is almost two years in… so data on long term outcomes of Covid infection are not availble and the virus itself is evolving …so…
focussing on unvaxed ppl
… we do know that some people are asymptomatic and stay that way (most) but of course are infectious (there is research that is lookibig at whether this may still result in subclinical abnormalities down the track such as post 1918 pandemic and Parkinson like sequelae).
.. mild or mod disease you can make full ‘recovery’ but up to ?20-30% can be very sick in process. Some will develop long Covid.
.. said groups can have subset of people who get very ill very quickly going from seemingly mild to in respiratory failure
then….
If you are ventilated you have significant (up to 50% likelihood) of long term cardio resp illness (if you make it)
It can be fatal.

What makes people sick -
1/virus -> pneumonia/myocarditis etc etc…and/or 2/ the inflammatory cascade that occurs from virus switching on your immune system. These complexes turn your organs to sludge, fatal clotting causes heart attacks etc etc etc…

Then add in underlying comorbidities like diabetes, chronic lung disease, immune system conditions and this has an impact.

Re: the term ‘vulnerable’ populations.
Ten year olds have died of Covid so everyone is ‘vulnerable’ - in that you can get very ill or die from covid infection..
Those with complex medical conditions would be expected to have less reserve to cope with onslaught of severe disease. Pre-existing illness does not make you more likely to GET Covid but worse prognosis.

I also look at ‘vulnerable’ (if you like) in respect of exposure risk …who is more likely to get it…so fellow frontline healthcare workers,quarantine staff are more to actually get it - and can belong to any of the above groups I mentioned

So all of the above come into play …

If you get sick I can’t predict which group you will fall into into , if you progress or if you get long Covid;
but - if you’ve needed mechanical ventilation - your long term prospects will be much much worse overwhelmingly.

And of course… The best thing is to get vaccinated vaccinated vaccinated ….and never get it in the first place …

Regarding the vaccinated - breakthrough infections can occur but not considered high. There is no evidence that proves past infection gives you neutralising antibodies ie you can’t get sick again.

The research is ongoing and recommendations change just as the virus does.

Hope that helps

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[MARTINE]

Doctors are like pilots. Each will tell you their opinion and insist it’s right. It makes administration challenging…

One explained it to me recently (and again, take it as an opinion), consider it like glandular fever. Most children are exposed to and can carry infectious mononucleosis, however it rarely develops into illness with most being asymptomatic.

Sorry but not correct.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

For those worried about the emergence of police state - there appears a "lawful" protest in Australia....in Darwin where lockdown rule are not in force.

Small protest held in Darwin​

More than 100 protesters have gathered in the Darwin city centre as part of nationwide rallies against government responses to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Some attendees wore masks while police attempted to hand out disposable masks to those without them.

Greater Darwin is no longer in lockdown but restrictions remain including mandatory masks where there is not enough room to safely distance.

NT Police have been contacted for comment

 

[jakeseven7]

news.com.au poll

Are you breaking lockdown rules?
12% Yes, as much as I can get away with
14% Yes but only ay a 'low level'
57% No, never
17% I'm lucky enough not to be in lockdown

Over 22,000 votes

If my maths is right 26%/83% = 31% non-compliance.

So vast majority complying would equate to about 69%.

Yes which explains why all the restrictions used in Sydney (and now Melbourne) are no longer working.

Even if there was 1% breaking it’s game over. And honestly those percentages reflect what I see and hear everyday now.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Yes which explains why all the restrictions used in Sydney (and now Melbourne) are no longer working.

The "no, never" group probably are somehow breaking the lockdown rules at some point in the day without even knowing it. Of course, this kind of infraction probably results in very little or no additional risk to the community, but ultimately further restrictions will be heeded and effect felt by the same group.

Thankfully seems like the protest has moved to the other side of town. The drone of helicopters was getting tiresome.

 

[jakeseven7]

The "no, never" group probably are somehow breaking the lockdown rules at some point in the day without even knowing it.

Or lying.

People who don’t think there is MASSIVE levels of civil disobedience happening everywhere right in every neighbourhood in every town in Australia have their heads firmly in the sand.

 

[N860CR]

Sorry but not correct.

Care to expand? Or you’re just going to make unhelpful statements?

 

[MARTINE]

Or lying.

People who don’t think there is MASSIVE levels of civil disobedience happening everywhere right in every neighbourhood in every town in Australia have their heads firmly in the sand.

I agree
… but I cannot stomach using my brain‘s metabolism to focus on selfish (yes my word) people .. equating living in Melbourne and wearing a mask etc with living under some sort of military dictatorship…
It’s insulting

 

[MARTINE]

Care to expand? Or you’re just going to make unhelpful statements?

I have written a lengthy summary about what we currently know in general about Covid.
I will refer you to that.
I had tried to be helpful
EB virus which causes glandular fever has been researched for decades and hence the evidence of long term impacts and disease behaviour are well known (unlike Covid). I won’t go further here as not relevant to this virus.


….This will now be my last comment as I think your point was long term infection with EBV = Covid = most children get it and don’t develop significant disease. There is no medical evidence that supports this (not to say it can’t be in future).

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I agree
… but I cannot stomach using my brain‘s metabolism to focus on selfish (yes my word) people .. equating living in Melbourne and wearing a mask etc with living under some sort of military dictatorship…
It’s insulting

.. to me … lest there is a pile on

 

[N860CR]

I have written a lengthy summary about what we currently know in general about Covid.
I will refer you to that.
I had tried to be helpful
EB virus which causes glandular fever has been researched for decades and hence the evidence of long term impacts and disease behaviour are well known (unlike Covid). I won’t go further here as not relevant to this virus.

Yep, missed that as you posted it separately.

But you’ve basically proven my point and the one the specialist made. You’ve provided an opinion and the statement I made is not incorrect (as you claimed), just somebody else’s opinion that is equally as valid as yours.

Based on WHO estimates, a quarter of the worlds population had now been exposed to this virus. If it’s as horrific as you suggest, then death would actually be a positive.

 

[oznflfan]

Cases or protesters????

Daily cases

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Update on Shepparton.

Total cases are now at 21. All so far are in 3 households and most of the cases are children.

 

[drron]

Our Federal Treasurer has made a statement that some of our Premiers and First ministers need to take onboard.

 

[Pushka]

Our Federal Treasurer has made a statement that some of our Premiers and First ministers need to take onboard.
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Frydenberg was very vocal expressing the same on radio here in SA this week. Shame they don't control much. Except the money. Seems the money is the only weapon. So he needs to pitch no more financial aid once vaccination rates are sufficient and that each state is responsible for their financial aid and the negative impact on voters. That's the only thing that will hurt the Premiers.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Can’t stand Barr - he has to top my list of disliked politicians, which is quite an achievement as I dislike almost all of them . However I think his attitude has come from the fact that so many of the cases in Canberra have been in the under 16 group. While I don’t think opening up should be dependent on this group being vaccinated, I do think we need to vaccinate them as quickly as possible,

he is one of the last 'if it saves one life' brigade, ie. people not living in the real world who value freedom of other people incredibly lowly

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Frydenberg was very vocal expressing the same on radio here in SA this week. Shame they don't control much. Except the money. Seems the money is the only weapon. So he needs to pitch no more financial aid once vaccination rates are sufficient and that each state is responsible for their financial aid and the negative impact on voters. That's the only thing that will hurt the Premiers.

@80% cease all national financial matching of state covid payments

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Frydenberg was very vocal expressing the same on radio here in SA this week. Shame they don't control much. Except the money. Seems the money is the only weapon. So he needs to pitch no more financial aid once vaccination rates are sufficient and that each state is responsible for their financial aid and the negative impact on voters. That's the only thing that will hurt the Premiers.

Likely with the caveat 'to the extent their polling numbers support the position'.

I doubt the government is going to take a hammering in the polls and refuse emergency covid funding if it looks like they'll get voted out.

 

[Batterytraveller]

Frydenberg was very vocal expressing the same on radio here in SA this week. Shame they don't control much. Except the money. Seems the money is the only weapon. So he needs to pitch no more financial aid once vaccination rates are sufficient and that each state is responsible for their financial aid and the negative impact on voters. That's the only thing that will hurt the Premiers.

Dan and Gladys are already messaging no more lockdowns once we hit 80% (stick to the Doherty plan). So its already politically untenable for the smaller states to go it alone. (Apart from WA?)

so he’s taking the courageous stand to push at an open door. TBF the more messaging the better as we get closer to 80%, and to get us there faster.

 

[antycbr]

@80% cease all national financial matching of state covid payments

They also control international borders. The current Biosecurity Act controls will be lapsed and the individual states will have to deal with the consequences.

 

[Pushka]

Likely with the caveat 'to the extent their polling numbers support the position'.

I doubt the government is going to take a hammering in the polls and refuse emergency covid funding if it looks like they'll get voted out.

Depends on the voices of reason then, doesn't it. If vaccination rates are high and hospital demand stays manageable then vaccinated people will not be as compliant as they are now with restrictions, especially if it's the non vaccinated that are being impacted by covid.

 

[antycbr]

Depends on the voices of reason then, doesn't it. If vaccination rates are high and hospital demand stays manageable then vaccinated people will not be as compliant as they are now with restrictions, especially if it's the non vaccinated that are being impacted by covid.

People are only complying while we race to 80 percent and we have huge noncompliance issues now.

All bets are off after 80 percent.