Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[lovetravellingoz]

Supply is not the issue.

Supply is very much the issue.

NSW surged when Pfizer supply was increased, and so it is not just more people being willing people takning AZ

Vic for example has not opened up Pfizer to the under 40s yet (ignoring special categories) as there is not enough supply.

Victoria has spare appointments this week.

There are spare appointments every week at the State Hubs at present as they keep 1/ adding additional capacity and 2/ adding in more doses of Pfizer once the commonwealth supplies it. Plus some hubs do walk ins where there are no appointments. This includes the second push starting this week for Disability and Aged Care Workers who can just walk in and get jabbed. They prefer people to book, but they do not have to.

There is always a bit of delay when new slots are added for them to be filled and unfortunately some are waiting for Pfizer still when they could be getting Pfizer.

In the Vic Presser today available slots that can be booked over the next week for both first and second doses is 50,000 in the State Hubs.
2 days ago at the presser it was 80,000 when another 40/50K of Pfizer of doses was added in as able to be booked.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I would not bet on states honouring Doherty in any meaningful way if they are in zero-Covid world

They will only be there for a few weeks until an outbreak occurs and then people are asking why are we locking down when we are vaccinated, and other states are not.

In any case, there is a way around every problem if you have the will and the desire to do it.

South Australia v Commonwealth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I thought we were keeping politics out of it.

Its obvious that NSW will not need as many jabs down the track to make the 70% target because they are being prioritised now and will be ahead of the game for a while.

It is not politics, it was just what was announced. More jabs now taken from future allocation, and where it was also stated that average prorate distribution would be restored..

NSW had desperate need to more vaccines now and so that they arranged the bring forward because of that need. As I posted a while back I supported this due to the obvious health need.

I am sure it will all even out in the end because the 70% and 80% are national targets under the plan.

Which is what I posted.

If NSW starts winding back restrictions at 70% it means that the NSW Gov is happy with the health outcomes from reduced restrictions.
If so then the supply of Pfizer/Moderna then needs to get back to restoring the even distribution to all jurisdictions so that everywhere can get to the point of opening up for international travel etc.

 

[Batterytraveller]

So what you have proposed is nice in theory, and I think the feds will need to use the following three cards they control, in increasing order: No funding for lockdowns as there is no longer an emergency, revoking the biosecurity act, and finally a full high court challenge under s.92 on the grounds that the temporary restriction on intercourse between the states is no longer justified as the emergency has passed.

WA residents won't have any confidence that their border will stay open otherwise.

I can't see a court case happening.

For example I san't see the Feds taking WA to court in the run up to a federal election. Closed borders were very popular at the state election last year. If there are 1000s of cases in NSW, they may still be popular and a court case portrayed as ScoMo trying to take away the WA Doona, wouldn't play very well.

All I can predict is that there will be a lot more twists and turns before we come out of this.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It is not politics, it was just what was announced. More jabs now taken from future allocation, and where it was also stated that average prorate distribution would be restored..

NSW had desperate need to more vaccines now and so that they arranged the bring forward because of that need. As I posted a while back I supported this due to the obvious health need.



Which is what I posted.

If NSW starts winding back restrictions at 70% it means that the NSW Gov is happy with the health outcomes from reduced restrictions.
If so then the supply of Pfizer/Moderna then needs to get back to restoring the even distribution to all jurisdictions so that everywhere can get to the point of opening up for international travel etc.

How many brought forward Pfizer doses do you think NSW got?

Best I can remember, I think the brought forward doses was explained as September has 5 weeks, hence the 'creation' of brought forward doses. Further, I think it was also stated that both Qld and Vic got access to the same NSW brought forward doses, so its only against WA, SA, Tas, ACT and NT that need to be equalised.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

How many brought forward Pfizer doses do you think NSW got?

I have no idea as the Commonwealth has never published the exact vaccination doses for Pfizer and and AZ throughout the whole vaccination program.

You only get snippets announced by them which are never a complete picture.

Those snippets yes said that Qld and Vic got some. The first extra Vic doses were meant to have arrived by Friday week ago, but evidently only became available for actual vaccinations this week which is why the Pfizer Bookings suddenly jumped this week.

(In the Vic Presser today available slots that can be booked over the next week for both first and second doses is 50,000 in the State Hubs.​

2 days ago at the presser it was 80,000 when another 40/50K of Pfizer of doses was added in as able to be booked.)​

In Vic Pfizer has not been opened to the Under 40s (apart from special categories), which indicates that Pfizer is still not in great supply.

 

[antycbr]

I can't see a court case happening.

For example I san't see the Feds taking WA to court in the run up to a federal election. Closed borders were very popular at the state election last year. If there are 1000s of cases in NSW, they may still be popular and a court case portrayed as ScoMo trying to take away the WA Doona, wouldn't play very well.

All I can predict is that there will be a lot more twists and turns before we come out of this.

Depends, I think that this is the hill the Commonwealth will die on. Either that, or the will be left to wither on the vine while WA's internal population becomes so restless that they want to move forward. Or there's a leak from a container ship at Freo.

 

[OATEK]

It is not politics, it was just what was announced. More jabs now taken from future allocation, and where it was also stated that average prorate distribution would be restored..

NSW had desperate need to more vaccines now and so that they arranged the bring forward because of that need. As I posted a while back I supported this due to the obvious health need.



Which is what I posted.

If NSW starts winding back restrictions at 70% it means that the NSW Gov is happy with the health outcomes from reduced restrictions.
If so then the supply of Pfizer/Moderna then needs to get back to restoring the even distribution to all jurisdictions so that everywhere can get to the point of opening up for international travel etc.

You know what I was referring to but have not addressed it. Best we leave it there as I have so far managed to avoid an infraction.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Or there's a leak from a container ship at Freo.

This crossed my mind today cycling by the western part of Port Melbourne today. Can't be just WA that has container ships arriving with possible COVID infections on board. Yet, to my recollection they're the only state we hear mention anything about it. Wonder why.

 

[Hillbilly64]

Save some work for the mods and start replying in the vaccine thread.... this is way OT now

I thought I'd come into the vaccine thread by mistake.... they seem one and the same.

 

[jrfsp]

This crossed my mind today cycling by the western part of Port Melbourne today. Can't be just WA that has container ships arriving with possible COVID infections on board. Yet, to my recollection they're the only state we hear mention anything about it. Wonder why.

Container ships typically follow a circular milk run type routing (unlike bulk carriers).

Most of WA and QLD arrivals are from Asia before they continue onto SYD / MEL / NZ etc.

WA (iron ore ports) are the busiest in the country.

 

[antycbr]

This crossed my mind today cycling by the western part of Port Melbourne today. Can't be just WA that has container ships arriving with possible COVID infections on board. Yet, to my recollection they're the only state we hear mention anything about it. Wonder why.

The challenge with container ships is if the crew get sick, we have obligations under international maritime law to assist. There's been breaches of protocols before in transfers to RPH and Fiona Stanley.

As NSW and NZ prove, with delta, you need 100% of your controls to work, with no mistakes.

 

[moa999]

challenge with container ships is if the crew get sick, we have obligations under international maritime law to assist.

But like hotel quarantine, they are risks you need to manage, and accept that Covid is a sneaky sucker and probably will get out.

Funny how people are only complaining about container ships, but not the massive iron ore ships that have similar risks.
Reality is without imported goods, both air and sea, our economies would quickly sieze up.

 

[antycbr]

But like hotel quarantine, they are risks you need to manage, and accept that Covid is a sneaky sucker and probably will get out.

Funny how people are only complaining about container ships, but not the massive iron ore ships that have similar risks.
Reality is without imported goods, both air and sea, our economies would quickly sieze up.

There's already extensive problems in logistics due to lack of alternative airfreight capacity for high value goods, shortage of containers, very high demand for consumer goods due to spend being diverted from services (e.g. travel) and covid issues in PRC ports. Lead time for some IT equipment we need to purchase is now February 2022, compounding the existing global chip shortage.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

For those interested in Sydney/NSW LGA numbers COVID Cases By Council/LGA | COVID-19 NSW

Top 3 way ahead

coughberland streaking ahead at 146 cases - 983 for the week
Canterbury-Bankstown 111 cases - 822 for this week
Blacktown 86 cases - 651 this week

Dubbo still struggling 9 cases - 142 for the week

Some new-ish appearances
Lane Cove 3 case - 8 for the week
Hunter Hill 3 cases - 6 for the week
Wentworth (near Mildura) 2 cases - 3 for the week

Only 6 LGAs left untouched by Delta/Limo.

 

[Must...Fly!]

But like hotel quarantine, they are risks you need to manage, and accept that Covid is a sneaky sucker and probably will get out.

Funny how people are only complaining about container ships, but not the massive iron ore ships that have similar risks.
Reality is without imported goods, both air and sea, our economies would quickly sieze up.

Bulk carriers have been caught up in this. Again, it can't just be WA having this issue but it's the only place we ever hear about it...

Bulk carrier suspected to carry COVID-infected crew docks in Fremantle

A Health Department statement said a plan for the management of the vessel would be made after test results were received on Tuesday.

www.watoday.com.au

There's already extensive problems in logistics due to lack of alternative airfreight capacity for high value goods, shortage of containers, very high demand for consumer goods due to spend being diverted from services (e.g. travel) and covid issues in PRC ports. Lead time for some IT equipment we need to purchase is now February 2022, compounding the existing global chip shortage.

Try buying a road bike - I enquired today about a particular model and told next shipment sold out. But you can pre-order for next delivery after that. Expected Jan 2023!!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

5 of the 22 under investigation cases announced today in Victoria would now seem to be linked.

 

[Pushka]

In SA today there is one positive, but from an international traveller in a med hotel so not a deal at all. Oh my. Tin hat brigade on FB. Sky is falling. Chicken Little. Asking the same old same old. It is quite pleasing that many now are pushing back at them. Having a bit of fun.

 

[Lynda2475]

For those interested in Sydney/NSW LGA numbers

It shows that Burwood and Strathfield really shouldnt be LGAs of concern, they only appears to be locked down due to a border with Cantebury Bankstown, given Dubbo has signifiantly more cases (and lower vaccination rate).

Only 6 LGAs left untouched by Delta/Limo.

I count at least 38:

 

[andye]

Seems the only way to avoid the virus is to shop at Harris Farm and drink from Vintage Cellars

Food fault lines: mapping class through food chains - Honi Soit

What can we learn from Google maps and a bunch of different food stores?

honisoit.com

(I may have posted on this before)