Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[justinbrett]

It's now widely reported that the Doherty institute has provided verbal advice to the PM that opening at 80% with the current outbreaks is still possible, it will be detailed on Friday's National Cabinet.

I think all but WA will endorse the update (even QLD). I'm interested to see WA's rebuttal.

Main story, QLD can't afford not to open up for Christmas to NSW & VIC.

 

[tgh]

My local Bunnings (Qld) must have inside info, or perhaps prescience as they have just reinstated the click and collect bays

 

[suze2000]

I doubt anyone in the world would label NSW's efforts in the pandemic as a catastrophic failure.

Pretty much everyone living outside NSW and a goodly number of people I know living in NSW would disagree with you. Given they've managed to spread it through so much of their state and also into VIC and QLD and people still trying to illegally cross state borders all the time.

 

[justinbrett]

Pretty much everyone living outside NSW and a goodly number of people I know living in NSW would disagree with you. Given they've managed to spread it through so much of their state and also into VIC and QLD and people still trying to illegally cross state borders all the time.

So from my recollection, almost every state can be accused of spreading covid to other states. VIC to NSW, QLD to NSW, NT & WA, SA to VIC and of course NSW to various states.

The point is, once you've discovered the spread into your state, further actions are on you. That's just the nature of this virus. You can't just sit there and blame Sydney every day for your six week outbreak.

People illegally crossing borders? I think just about every state has had them too.

Maybe, just maybe, the virus is to blame, and an outbreak is not necessarily a political failing. Crazy concept I know.

 

[MARTINE]

My local Bunnings (Qld) must have inside info, or perhaps prescience as they have just reinstated the click and collect bays

… the footballers are on the move…

 

[stryker]

I doubt anyone in the world would label NSW's efforts in the pandemic as a catastrophic failure. U

Well I would. I'm not a politician, but I do live in the ACT (perhaps not in the world).

Efforts too little too late, and have infected us... NSW will be the pariah of Australia, I feel.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Anyone blaming any state is absolutely ludicrous I think.
It’s a virus and spreads if people move and have contact with each other.
Unless we all want to live locked down forever we need to deal with this.
Sure with 20/20 hindsight Greater Sydney could have gone a few days earlier but at some point the Delta genie was getting out.
The recent strict lockdown in Victoria hasn’t driven the cases to zero and it probably won’t.
The limo driver could just as easily have been in BNE/ MEL etc and spread it from there.

Now we are in a race to get us all vaccinated and if that outbreak hadn’t happened we’d be miles further behind.
Let’s finish the job and stop the inter state bickering.
It’s getting very old.

 

[justinbrett]

In all seriousness I think this has gone past rivalry. Listening to Mark McGowan speak, I wonder how we'll ever get back to being a united country. Every day the premiers are sledging each other, can't be surprised when you see that replicated here.

I look at the UK and USA now and I don't think failure. I want to be like them.

 

[Must...Fly!]

There's not much point in blaming other jurisdictions. I think just about every country on earth would've sent us a case or two over the journey but we're not blaming them.

My post was to highlight the relative success of Australia in suppressing covid (yes even in Victoria) in the context of the global outbreak, nothing more and nothing less.

To pretend we would live COVID free forever would be to deny reality. Yes, the NSW situation is unfortunate and happened before the country was ready, but the reality is that in relative terms Australia has done a good job as a whole, with some small bumps in the road along the way.

All that is left is to get vaccinated

 

[Milboo]

On the places untouched by COVID doesn’t seem completelay accurate to me. I know of a case in one of those locations.

 

[nutwood]

I'm quite happy to condemn the NSW handling of Covid. Not because of Sydney; political hubris and "Gold Standard" aside, Sydney has similar demographics to Melbourne and were obviously riding for a fall. My condemnation is based on their inability to protect their regional areas. There's absolutely no reason, apart from incompetence, that regional NSW should have a Covid problem. It's a big State, with a lot of empty space between regional centres.

 

[justinbrett]

I'm quite happy to condemn the NSW handling of Covid. Not because of Sydney; political hubris and "Gold Standard" aside, Sydney has similar demographics to Melbourne and were obviously riding for a fall. My condemnation is based on their inability to protect their regional areas. There's absolutely no reason, apart from incompetence, that regional NSW should have a Covid problem. It's a big State, with a lot of empty space between regional centres.

The main spread came from Newcastle which is called regional but it is a city of 500,000 and interconnected with Greater Sydney.

It was really after Newcastle fell the rest of the state followed, as Newcastle is the gateway to the actual regions.

Looking back they maybe should have had controls from Newcastle residents going into the regions, but they classed Newcastle as part of the regions.

 

[nutwood]

The main spread came from Newcastle which is called regional but it is a city of 500,000 and interconnected with Greater Sydney.

It was really after Newcastle fell the rest of the state followed, as Newcastle is the gateway to the actual regions.

Looking back they maybe should have had controls from Newcastle residents going into the regions, but they classed Newcastle as part of the regions.

I'm not entirely sure this is correct. Newcastle is the gateway to regions north, but not to the west. There are several large national parks, not to mention a few mountains, that disconnect Newcastle from the Western regions.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

On the places untouched by COVID doesn’t seem completelay accurate to me. I know of a case in one of those locations.

If you are referring to my post on NSW LGAs and 6 being untouched this Delta/Limo outbreak, there could be a range of reasons its not registered.

Guesses - notified incorrect address, someone stuffed up the address and LGA linkage, etc.

There is also a notation on the page saying "*Many cases aren’t uploaded by NSW Health within 1 day, meaning today’s numbers appear lower than their final values."

 

[justinbrett]

I'm not entirely sure this is correct. Newcastle is the gateway to regions north, but not to the west. There are several large national parks, not to mention a few mountains, that disconnect Newcastle from the Western regions.

No, that part of the outbreak was caused by a drug dealer from Mount Druitt.

Newcastle caused most of the cases to the north.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I'm not entirely sure this is correct. Newcastle is the gateway to regions north, but not to the west. There are several large national parks, not to mention a few mountains, that disconnect Newcastle from the Western regions.

No, that part of the outbreak was caused by a drug dealer from Mount Druitt.

Newcastle caused most of the cases to the north.

Did you hear information that links the person in the Bathurst jail to a Mt Druitt drug dealer?

 

[N860CR]

Did you hear information that links the person in the Bathurst jail to a Mt Druitt drug dealer?

To be honest, does it matter? As I’ve said from the beginning; if it all comes down to the actions of one individual to cause the state to “fall”, then it’s the ultimate house of cards. As a nation, let’s be happy that it happened in NSW. That fact alone will get us all out of this faster than anything else.

 

[kyle]

Just came out? Reopening still safe with hundreds of daily COVID cases, Doherty Institute boss says

 

[Must...Fly!]

Just came out? Reopening still safe with hundreds of daily COVID cases, Doherty Institute boss says

How many many times can I hit the like button. Exactly what most of us in this thread have been saying for weeks now. Hopefully this settles it politically once and for all.

 

[Pushka]

How many many times can I hit the like button. Exactly what most of us in this thread have been saying for weeks now. Hopefully this settles it politically once and for all.